Why not restart production on E-Mags and X-Mags?

[Don Carnage]

The trick is not to list what AGD does not have (electros, multion-dollar ad campaign, etc.) but what it does have. (simplicity, durability, reliability).

One of the most beautiful things about mags is the valve. It's self contained and can be dropped into any body you want in seconds. This is a huge aspect that no other gun has.

So...make bodies. Not just new ULE bodies with no difference, but go nuts with them.

Underfed rail-less body. People already like warp bodies that come in the side, why not a body that feeds from the bottom.

New Tac-One--The scenario market is huge and has been getting bigger. Tippmann is king while Mags are still revered as uber-reliable. One of the big reasons Tippman rules the scenario world is thier cosmetic upgradibility. But instead of body kits that bolt onto an existing marker, AGD can make bodies that a valve need to go into. Why not a bull-pup automag? The valve slides in through the shoulder stock. Why not make a body that can accept current aftermarket stocks? Why not promote AGD enough to get companies like SpecOps to pimp them to the masses? (Start by making more parts so they can sell more Longbows)

ULE MINIMAG---Why did people lke the minimag? Because it looked cool.

Sleek limited-run bodies---I love the phoenix and Karta Bodies. They're beautiful. Bob Long sells beautifully milled guns. Why not AGD too?


Paintballers are vain. We like nice-looking guns. We like guns that we can 'upgrade' to look nicer. That kind of versatility can be marketed.

[snoopay700]

Feeding from the bottom would require a new trigger mechanism, either pneumatic or otherwise, as the whole gun would need to be moved forward.

[punkrex]

I gave up on AGD and you guys should too.

A mag is not efficient and it is very expensive to built one as light as today's current electros. Their electronics are out dated by about a decade and they are pretty drab out of the box.

With that said, I will attest to their simplicitiy and durability. Sure they can be fast, but crazy high pressure inputs that suck even more compressed air than originally. If AGD wanted to put the money into a new design, they would've a long time ago, rather than building the same old crap for 10 years.

Flame me if you want, but I will say that mags are outdated in today's market. The market is in kids with money to spend- and they're gonna want to spend it on someting that will get them attention. They want something that the hottest pro tourny player used in world cup...Not on something that is heavy, slow, and drab out of the box. the average kid could care less about this thing lasting after a nuclear winter. They just want markers that last a year or two until the next hot marker comes out.

It irritates me that mag owners are so die hard that they cannot see past thier own barrel. They wine and complain about SP, scratch their head in confusion to why AGD is going no where. They complain some more about SP, and then scheme on how to breath life into a dead horse. It just isn't going to happen with out some major changes. If anything, AGD should've went after the woods ball scene before Tippmann cornered the market and convinced a bunch of GI Joe wanna-bees that nothing is more durable than a Tippmann--but its a bit late to for that market because Tippmans are not only pretty durable, but they are very common and readily available at your local one-stop-shopping store.


I loved my mags but I sold them for a pump and a newer electro.

[going_home]

I gave up on AGD and you guys should too.

A mag is not efficient and it is very expensive to built one as light as today's current electros. Their electronics are out dated by about a decade and they are pretty drab out of the box.

With that said, I will attest to their simplicitiy and durability. Sure they can be fast, but crazy high pressure inputs that suck even more compressed air than originally. If AGD wanted to put the money into a new design, they would've a long time ago, rather than building the same old crap for 10 years.

Flame me if you want, but I will say that mags are outdated in today's market. The market is in kids with money to spend- and they're gonna want to spend it on someting that will get them attention. They want something that the hottest pro tourny player used in world cup...Not on something that is heavy, slow, and drab out of the box. the average kid could care less about this thing lasting after a nuclear winter. They just want markers that last a year or two until the next hot marker comes out.

It irritates me that mag owners are so die hard that they cannot see past thier own barrel. They wine and complain about SP, scratch their head in confusion to why AGD is going no where. They complain some more about SP, and then scheme on how to breath life into a dead horse. It just isn't going to happen with out some major changes. If anything, AGD should've went after the woods ball scene before Tippmann cornered the market and convinced a bunch of GI Joe wanna-bees that nothing is more durable than a Tippmann--but its a bit late to for that market because Tippmans are not only pretty durable, but they are very common and readily available at your local one-stop-shopping store.


I loved my mags but I sold them for a pump and a newer electro.

Thanks for adding something meaningful to the discussion.
Now go back home, your mommy is calling and has cookies and milk for you.

[thejere]

What do all you folks want exactly? a "revolutionary" marker? mags do one thing better than any marker i've owned our shot, they put paint down the field day after day. I have never missed a game trying to figure out which o-ring my marker is leaking from, what happened to my software, or general failure. Do we worry about AGD because everyone asks us what type of shocker that is? It ain't a fashion show ladies. Mags aren't the coolest but I really down want some little agglet in my corner.

I don't think there is anything that will change agd's position in paintball, but who cares? people who want a quality marker will make their way over to a mag and love it. I'm tired of these threads guys.

[snoopay700]

What do all you folks want exactly? a "revolutionary" marker? mags do one thing better than any marker i've owned our shot, they put paint down the field day after day. I have never missed a game trying to figure out which o-ring my marker is leaking from, what happened to my software, or general failure. Do we worry about AGD because everyone asks us what type of shocker that is? It ain't a fashion show ladies. Mags aren't the coolest but I really down want some little agglet in my corner.

I don't think there is anything that will change agd's position in paintball, but who cares? people who want a quality marker will make their way over to a mag and love it. I'm tired of these threads guys.

What i want to see from AGD is Tom's dream marker he mentioned a while back, it definitely would have been revolutionary, but then the market got all screwed up, main reason they didn't come out with something new i'm pretty sure. Tom even said there may be a chance that they start up again if the market levels out, but that it doesn't look too good.

[Don Carnage]

Feeding from the bottom would require a new trigger mechanism, either pneumatic or otherwise, as the whole gun would need to be moved forward.

Yea it would. Same goes for a bullpup design since the sear arm would need to be extended waaay forward. But since the valve design wouldnt need to change, it would be yet another body upgrade that mags would be capable of.

A mag is not efficient and it is very expensive to built one as light as today's current electros.

Have you ever checked the cost of making one of the modded-out scenario Tippmans? People will spend hundreds upon hundres of dollars on cosmetic upgrades and in the end still have a gun that shoots like an A-5.

If anything, AGD should've went after the woods ball scene before Tippmann cornered the market and convinced a bunch of GI Joe wanna-bees that nothing is more durable than a Tippmann--but its a bit late to for that market because Tippmans are not only pretty durable, but they are very common and readily available at your local one-stop-shopping store.

I'll agree that AGD has dropped the ball on the woodsball crowd. It's growing, and many of the players are older with more disposable income. However it is not too late.

Mags are still very respected in the scenario communities. However Tippmans, as I've said have more cosmetic upgrades.

AGD once ruled the tournament scene. Unless they begin producing electros again they should ignore that market and focus on the woods/scenario groups that care more for durability and reliability than they do for light weight and incredible speed.

[Ninjeff]

AGD once ruled the tournament scene. Unless they begin producing electros again they should ignore that market and focus on the woods/scenario groups that care more for durability and reliability than they do for light weight and incredible speed.

excellent point.

[Hgblues]

I just dropped a hundred bucks worth of parts into the grip of my mag and ended up with an electro mag, with all the necessary firing mods, running off a 9v battery. The gun setup weighs around 7 pounds plus the warp feed I have on it (puts it just over 8.5 lbs total), and that's with the full stock rail and X valve. That's a little less than the DM4 setup so weight isn't an issue (unless your a 10 year old kid, or just a pansy).

I think that setup witha newer agd rail and newer body styles and decent marketing would be a very popular marker.

Unless, that cant be done due to the whole legal patent garbage.

[Emert426]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

Same incredible AGD Quality, new look, throw in some subtle upgrades, and bingo!

I'd be on that list!

[paint magnet]

I've never understood the race to upgrade electronics and software. I've owned several electros, from Angel LCDs, LEDs, A4's, EBlades, Vikings, and EMags but never really noticed a difference in the performance of the software. I mean, as long as you have a semiauto mode and an adjustable ROF, which nearly every gun has, I don't see why you need more current software. My LCD had 24 firing modes, the A4 had several, the EMagnum board had who knows how many...I always kept it in semi because I don't feel in control of my marker when it starts ramping.

I also don't see why Mags are considered slow. A Classic-valved Mag is capable of over 15 bps without shootdown, and that's as fast as tournaments allow anyway. The RT valve is even faster, and is the fastest mechanical gun I know of. High input pressures are only needed to compensate for slow fingers, which is exactly what ramping software does through a different medium.

[steve_81]

simply rename the Mag with yearly lines.


Call the next one the "RT Mag 09" or "Emag 09".


The quality is already there, just needs a naming convention that will sell to the newcomers who must have the latest and greatest.

You can toss a 09 insignia on the outside if required

Seriously, that would probably work. AGD should try that and maybe do a few advertisements for the "new" line-up in pb magazines, maybe even a few appearances and i bet they would sell alot more markers.

[WatchDragon]

I have always wanted a Y-grip X-mag, if i hold onto my dream long enough, will it come true?

[snoopay700]

I have always wanted a Y-grip X-mag, if i hold onto my dream long enough, will it come true?

I've actually thought about trying to get the board and solenoid and everything and making one, so you never know. If you'll fund it, i'll do it.

[JRingold]

An electromagnetic paintball gun

You better fill out that patent application now.