Why not restart production on E-Mags and X-Mags?

[acropilot19]

Um, like the Warp Feed?

Nope, the warp is big & bulky, and you still stick an old school hopper on top of it. Yer thinkin Model-T, I'm thinkin Space Shuttle.

I'm talkin' a single unit that attaches to the gun, which is simple, light, and high-cap. Man-on-tha-moon, we can do this!

[snoopay700]

Nope, the warp is big & bulky, and you still stick an old school hopper on top of it. Yer thinkin Model-T, I'm thinkin Space Shuttle.

I'm talkin' a single unit that attaches to the gun, which is simple, light, and high-cap. Man-on-tha-moon, we can do this!

I've been thinking about this. I mean when i went last weekend pretty much every time i got out was from a few stray shots getting my hopper just barely. However, the warp is bulky enough to keep me using the old ways.

[JesseB]

I've been saying this forever that they need more than one kind of body but everyone thinks their bodies are pieces of art and want to charge out the butt for them because it's a niche market instead of trying to reform automags they are trying to turn a profit. You are never going to solve the problem by jacking the price up higher with exspensive flashy bodies. Reasonably priced flashy body's and emag lowers in the store and maybe some different rails and you might have a good start.

[dstud2000]

If the warp didn't need the second hopper I think it would be pretty much perfect as is or atleast a step in the right direction.

[rawbutter]

You are never going to solve the problem by jacking the price up higher with expensive flashy bodies. Reasonably priced flashy body's and emag lowers in the store and maybe some different rails and you might have a good start.

If the fancy bodies were mass produced, wouldn't the price would come down a lot. Heck... before DW had to increase the price, the Dallara body/rail combo was only about $100 more than a normal ULE + rail. Is my thinking right about this? I always thought that the only reason Kartas and Dallaras were so freaking expensive is because they were/are being made one at a time.

[JesseB]

I'm pretty sure they have always been over $300 for any type of body other than the ULE hell the slugs were close to $100. Ridiculous!

How can you get a cost effective body mass produced when the materials are so exspensive.

[rawbutter]

How can you get a cost effective body mass produced when the materials are so exspensive.

The material is very expensive, no doubt about that, but stuff is always cheaper in bulk. It's the same reason why an 8-pack of batteries cost $5, but a 16-pack costs $7.50.

If someone did a 1000-unit run of Karta bodies, the price would come down a LOT. Not as low as regular ULEs, of course, but it would be a lot cheaper than $500+ per body.

[going_home]

X-Mod Software

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

Anything can be improved, this much is true.
But I cant see anything but extremely minor things sir.
The Emag and Xmag have history proving the designs stand the test of time.
The BEST improvement would be making the X-Mod software the standard
for a new run on an AGD electro !

[questionful]

I've been saying this forever that they need more than one kind of body but everyone thinks their bodies are pieces of art and want to charge out the butt for them because it's a niche market instead of trying to reform automags they are trying to turn a profit. You are never going to solve the problem by jacking the price up higher with exspensive flashy bodies. Reasonably priced flashy body's and emag lowers in the store and maybe some different rails and you might have a good start.

How much profit/time are they making?

I'm pretty sure they have always been over $300 for any type of body other than the ULE hell the slugs were close to $100. Ridiculous!

How can you get a cost effective body mass produced when the materials are so exspensive.

If you massed produced it, you wouldn't buy slugs, and even if you did they would be cheaper.

[blitzkriegboom!]

Well i slept rather fitfully last night thinking about this, what Tom said was a little disconcerting, but what i came up with was simple

Sell mech mags from the factory with killer milling
bob long sells guns with that as a selling point, why not AGD?
team up with Doc and im sure some kikass mags will come out of it
Also maybe a deal with gruntbull for some of the best annoes on the market and poof! mag sales are back again and looking more kikass than ever

perhaps i was dreaming a little but id put $$ down to try to start a revival of some sorts..
just my $.02

[rawbutter]

perhaps i was dreaming a little but id put $$ down to try to start a revival of some sorts..
just my $.02

Yes... we should all be able to buy AGD stock before the revolution.

I'd just love to see mags get big again. I know a lot of people on here love mags just because they're rare (and then they get to show up at the field and have people drool on their gun), but I'd rather see AGD rise from the ashes and get the respect it deserves.

[Oregon_pb_]

simply rename the Mag with yearly lines.


Call the next one the "RT Mag 09" or "Emag 09".


The quality is already there, just needs a naming convention that will sell to the newcomers who must have the latest and greatest.

You can toss a 09 insignia on the outside if required

[snoopay700]

Yes... we should all be able to buy AGD stock before the revolution.

I'd just love to see mags get big again. I know a lot of people on here love mags just because they're rare (and then they get to show up at the field and have people drool on their gun), but I'd rather see AGD rise from the ashes and get the respect it deserves.

I'm with you, i shoot mags cause i love them, i mean having a gun that people ask about is cool, but i'd much rather see them get big again.

And oregon, better yet make it a badge that can be replaced, so that way if they have too many mags left over from one year they just pop off that badge and put them in with the new year on them.

[paint magnet]

I'm with you, i shoot mags cause i love them, i mean having a gun that people ask about is cool, but i'd much rather see them get big again.

And oregon, better yet make it a badge that can be replaced, so that way if they have too many mags left over from one year they just pop off that badge and put them in with the new year on them.

Haha, like the old Worr Games logos on the side of cockers. I agree, these days it's not always having the best product that sells guns, it's having the newest. Just mill 09 or something into the rail and call it an improvement.

Think about it:

"All-New" 2009 AGD RT Custom

-One piece lightweight high-flow anti-chop bolt (I mean it's lightweight compared to something, right?)

-Spool valve technology

-Integrated regulator

-ULE-milled microswitch-ready .45 frame (accepts Hybrid grips!)

-26 bps+ uncapped semi

-Air-actuated trigger

-Unequaled reliability

-Compact single tube design

-"VOB" -valve out back tool-less disassembly

-Unparallelled battery life

-Autococker threads, Angel feednecks and detents

-AGD Quality Products have always been endorsed by top tournament teams (like the Jacksonville Warriors)

-Smaller than a DM8, quieter than an Ego, lighter than a...(insert marker here, you get the idea).

I think it would be kind of funny to throw a bunch of wires connected to a board and a dead 9 volt in the grip frame and see how long it would take for people to actually notice. Say the safety is the on/off switch or something.

[snoopay700]

Yeah, just once they take the valve out they'll see it's not a spool valve lol, but yeah i'm sure that if you did that and put a ULT into it no one would know, although thatmight have the side effect of lowering the trust in the company, but it would still be damn funny.