Tac_One, AGD isn't Fooling Around Any More>>

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

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One idea is to give current magowners the opportunity to buy a "shell" basically everything except the xvalve so they can just switch in their xvalve between their current AGD marker and this one since they may use their other marker primarily in speedball and this one in scenarios. You could mill the intelli to be unique to this one, etc, give all the parts a real unique identity from normal drop-in mag parts.

Offer this shell $150 less than the one with xvalves. This means AGD would still keep the profits since the costs of making an X/lvl 10/ult valve would maybe be 150 or more and you wouldn't have to devote resources to manufacturing them, meaning the total number released initially could be higher since you could make 300 kits, 150 with valves and 150 without, instead of producing 200-225 all with xvalves. Seems Xvalves is what slows you down in production anyways... this allows a quick market entry.

Just a thought, and an interesting way to market it (almost frankensteinish) as well as a way to give current X-owners a price break without losing profits and actually facilitating a quicker saturation in the market.

[Dbl_Edge]

Re: Re: Tac_One, AGD isn't Foolling Around Any More>>

The Xvalve isnt needed! Or the Intelliframe. Slap on a NORMAL dbl trig frame and LvL 10, with classic valve and put it at 350, you'll put tippmann out of business.

P.S. TKO sells mag kits for 300... normal mags, not intelliframe, no ULT, no special body, and stock trig. But with all the fittings, hoses, gas-thru grip, and barrel. If an aftermarket company can do that, the best company in this business can too. (that means AGD... just to clarify)

'take the world by storm': 350 with classic valve, no ULT
practical low: 500 With Xvalve, but not needed
Absolute scenario highest: 600 With Xvlave, but not needed

Jake

[Gadget]

Are some of you guying smoking crack?

$250 when it comes with an X-valve, intelli and cocker barrel?? At that price I'd buy everyone they made, chuck the fugly body away, sell the rest as parts and become a millionaire.

Looking at the cost of the components and then chopping off most of the profit, you have to be looking at a minimum of $400, maybe $450, with a reasonable price around $550.

As others have said, I'd leave the ULT out, people will have to tune the L10 (which is essential to keep that 'mag-blender' rep dead and buried), adding another fiddly area might put people off. I'd stick with the X-valve - the classic is the past.

Fields that STILL don't do air fills? I thought it was 2003, not 1993.

[speedyejl]

Low: $450
High: $650

Perfect: $550-575

At $550 it would blow the VFTactical out of the water, which is the other high end scenrio marker at the time. Beat Budd. Also it would still be in a price range to appeal to most serious scenrio ballers, yet reachable as a step between higherend electros and a kids A5 who likes woodsball.

[shartley]

Originally posted by ChucktheMAGician
Oh and about scenario players vs. speedball players. Wouldn't on average the scenario player be older, thus having a larger amount of disposable income?!!

[Severe]

I'm very excited for this marker, but then again, I'm an AGD junkie!

I have to agree with everyone's opinion that the A5 is the primary competition here. I play almost exclusively woods/scenario ball and on any given day 40% or better of the players out will be toting A5's.

I disagree with ditching the Xvalve. I would say easily 80%+ of the A5's I see are RT's. And they are fast. You'll want to point out the benefits of the X-valve in the selling point. And frankly, I would bet money that the X-valve is cheaper to produce than the Classic b/c of the aluminum vs. steel situation.

I've never used the ULT but I doubt that it's required. If nothing else, just include it in the package along with the regular On/Off.

Currently A5 w/ RT = $290. (Remember, this INCLUDES a motorized hopper!)

I would say the Tac-One Low should be $325 and high should be $450.

[bryceeden]

I think amazingly low, everyone should buy like ten, would be $380ish about the same as a basic cocker. High should be equal to the RTP.

[Cilio - Knightmare Tango]

Judster,

You know how many tick marks I had to make counting 2003
:-) I got 168 but figured I'd reduce it a few for error.

I'm not sure if the calendar lists last years but... when I get back from paintball practice I'll check and cramp my hand up again. :-)

[Cyberious]

Well looking at the individual retail of all the parts (I'll use the ULE body as a baseline for the TacOne body) And then applying a 40% discount to them.

Tac-One specs.
X valve --- 325 slug body vert. feed --- 145
Intelliframe --- 115
J&J cocker barrel --- 50 ULT trigger --- 47
Screws etc --- 20

Total --- 702

40% Discount est.
X valve --- 195 slug body vert. feed --- 87
Intelliframe --- 69
J&J cocker barrel --- 30
ULT trigger --- 28
Screws etc --- 12

Total --- 421


Now since Paintballgear sells RTP's for about 539 I Would say 539 Max price and 400 Low Price and 350 the unbelievable I gotta have one price. Even with the 5 AGD markers I already have I'd probably spend another 400-450 bucks on one of these.

[Gman63]

I think Tom is right online with this product. Scenario is the largest and fastest growing part of the sport outside of the rec-ball player. This being said around 350-375 on the absolute bottom and 475-550 on the top end. I happen to play for a Scenario team and all but one player shoots mags. And Tom, if you would like shoot me an email and I will give you an idea on what a friend is doing with one of his mags for an upcoming game in the spring. I would also like to say I would agree with not putting the ULT on/off valve in the marker, I myself use it on one of my mech mags but most people in the woods would trade good solid performance for speed. At a game earlier this year someone made the comment that if all electro markers went away because of the SP thing they would shoot a Tippman over a Impy or shocker mainly because everytime you pull the trigger a ball comes out. I would say with the Tac-one and a lvl 10 kit you could easily be that reliable.

[dansim]

do an econo version with classic valves, or no valve
classic valve
240
no valve 210
xvalve honestly id love to see it 300 most id spend 450

[Eric Cartman]

I really think that this could get a hell of a lot of mags out there. I agree 350 low end 550 high end.

I'd use this for speedball, rec-ball or scenarios. Mechanically it's the same as the setup I use now. I love it.

Some people have suggested having different versions of the gun and leaving out the ULT. I disagree with that. I think the idea is to keep it simple, so put them all out there the same, people can customize them after they buy them if they wish. I think the fears about the ULT kit were overblown. I have had the simplest time with mine. I never short stroke it and it is the BEST mechanical setup that AGD makes. The only thing I would suggest is that the level 10's and the ULT's be tuned before the gun is shipped if possible. If you leave that up to the customers to do, there will be a hell of a lot of newbs running around crying that they can't get their gun to work right. Some people are just not mechanically inclined whereas others have no problems with this sort of thing. Best to make it as simple as possible for the customer if you eally want to flood the market.

[Lohman446]

TK - if the price is $350 as some of these people have suggested I want one (BTW - in the same order send me a ULE body please - this one blue). It seems I could sell the Tac-One body for $100 to those that want to upgrade, get at least $30 out of the J&J barrel. That puts me having a X-valved, ULE bodied, Intell-framed, ULE triggered tournament mag for $350 or so.

BTW... if $350 is the magic entry level number, you need to seriously consider a "new" valve. Change it somehow, not have it be an X valve. Maybe, as some have noted, cost of production is cheaper on an X valve than a Classic valve. Not necessarily change anything, but maybe put "Tac-One" on the valve itself (us tournament players are a vain breed, and most of us would not use a "scenario" marker).

It seems a ton of people complain about the decline in resale value of a mag (I personally do not think its that bad) - put this out there at below $500 and you have just cut the market out on every used mag out there (don't care, not selling mine).

BTW - I have to agree strongly on dropping the ULE trigger - I don't think it reaches the market you are shooting for.

[lord1234]

Tac One

Max price: 500
Min price: 300

if it was 300 it would blow away the tippman 98 mainly because to get a RT tippman 98 is about the same and thats effectively what u r getting also u would get a short trigger pull with mechanical ace tahts fricking amazing!
This russian sees much power in u tom kaye! good going what a beautiful gun!

[Mastema]

around $350.00 I'll buy one.(without a barrel maybe....?)
but it would kill the resale value of every other mags...except for X and E-mags

Around $500.00 would be a good market price for it (but at that price i'll just buy the body to put on my RTpro/intelliframe/LX)

just my opinion.