Tac_One, AGD isn't Fooling Around Any More>>

[FooTemps]

USE XVALVES!

Shouldn't it be cheaper to make a huge batch of xvalves than to make the same size batch of classics? Aluminum work should be cheaper than steel work and not to mention it's quicker to mill aluminum. Just use the co2 xvalve idea.

Don't listen to everyone crying out for classics they don't know what they're talking about since well, it'll be better for production if xvalves are used.

BTW:

Minimum price: $450
Maximum price: $650

[bunkermaster10]

Sweet deal: 400 (say goodbye to Bko's, A5's, 98's).
Most: 625ish.

[dansim]

Originally posted by FooTemps
USE XVALVES!

Shouldn't it be cheaper to make a huge batch of xvalves than to make the same size batch of classics? Aluminum work should be cheaper than steel work and not to mention it's quicker to mill aluminum. Just use the co2 xvalve idea.

Don't listen to everyone crying out for classics they don't know what they're talking about since well, it'll be better for production if xvalves are used.

BTW:

Minimum price: $450
Maximum price: $650

hes trying to clear out stock...hes not getting anything made but the bodies im pretty sure he has an assload of classics, not to meantion all the xvalves with only the x

[dansim]

and i will also add, screw the single trigger frame unless its gonna be carbon fiber beacuse then he will have to make a new grip frame, hes trying to get rid of existing stock not make more crap he cant sell like single trigger grip frames

[Doobie]

It seems most people agree that the ULT should go and that the X-valve with the co2/HPA option would rock. (I agree) Now the debate is on the frame.
Look at the market and what most people in that market are buying and sell that as stock with the option to upgrade. Single trigger on A5's and M98s are standard. They sell alot. They offer upgrades. THEY sell alot. Now that seems KISS to me, but I may be missing something on the manufacturing side of the house.

My 2 cents.

[FooTemps]

ER... yeah, I'm wrong... Dansim's right... I forgot that they needed to clear out stock first.

[cledford]

I say 300 to 400 WITHOUT ULT.

I TOTALLY DIG THE CO2 MOD!!!!!!! This will bring a lot of rec/scenario players back to AGD!!!!! It bumps the MANDATORY upgrade fee with the current product line. You buy a mag and run it on c02 and then buy an N2 system you still gotta pay $250 for the Xvalve performance to unlock the HPA. You by a RT you've got to buy at least a $150 screw-in. It's an unintended "hidden cost" that I know bugs people.

The package should ship with a Anti-siphon 12 or 16 oz bottle - not an expansion chamber!! The CO2 bottle should have a HUGE sticker that says "USE ANTI-SIPHON BOTTLES ONLY"

In my mind you can get by WITH ONLY a gas through when using an anti-siphon (the lines and grip act as expansion chamber), but you are in BIG trouble even if using an expansion chamber with only a standard C02 tank. My suggestion is to control what is more important - the anti-siphon. That leaves another part to sell after the fact (can you say GAP - genuine AGD parts?) to make more money. Put the tactical powder coat on an expansion chamber and sell it as a matching upgrade. Now you are looking at the Tac-1 "LINE", not the Tac1 gun. Stores LOVE guns with built-in, manufacturer supported UPGRADES that they can sell more stuff for. This is a huge reason the "plain-jane" tippmanns move in much larger volumes than the "feature" rich" blow-backs - because the "el-cheapo" blow backs usually come with all the bells and whistles. The store owners PUSH the Tippys (like cockers) because they can SELL MORE. They're not just selling a gun - but a "system" that keeps the buyer coming back and the wallet open.

My final suggestion might be to costly to do. Rework the Intelli to receive removable trigger guards and triggers. Sell it stock on the TAC-1 with single trigger and make the 2 finger trigger/trigger guard a guess what!!! Another upgrade!!!! You can bundle the Intelli guts with the 2 finger trigger guard and trigger for a performance UPGRADE! (Ask me for my Racegun grip for an example if needed)

- That gives you performance upgrade = RT kit
- High Performance upgrade = ULT kit
- C02 kit = c02 mod
- Trigger/frame upgrade from 1 to 2
- Expansion chamber
- Design a cool barrel and sell it too - make it look "tactical"

The possibilities are endless!!!!

OH AND USE THE FN303 AS MARKETING LEVERAGE!

Something like "The only marker company in the world to produce weapons systems for the military now is producing you, THE SCENARIO PLAYER, a marker using that experience." Or, "the others guys markers look like the real thing - ours ARE the real thing" and play off the similarity in the valve systems.

I WANT THE C02 mod

-Calvin

[Thordic]

I don't know if they can legally use the FN303 in advertising due to the fact its a FN product, but that is a cool idea.

[hardr0ck68]

i havent read much of this post, but if AGD sells that mnarker for 350-400 (the low end on many peoples scale) i would buy one and trade the tac one body for a ULE and be happy as a pig in poo

[Virem]

I think thats its a fantastic idea to lower the price, I just bought a orracle moving away from automags and if the tac one was offerd for under 400 i would be very interested.. one thing that could be a problem is finding a drop forward that matchs the rest of the gun.. maybe AGD should design one to go with it.

[wobbles82]

Ok I still vote for the price being between 400-550ish, so that it can compete with the VF also. But moving on from that. THE C02 MOD IS PURE GENIOUS! While I would not run mine off of C02, a vast majority of players with scenarios in mind.....use Tippmanns, and these guns run great on C02, so why not AGD's? Even some cockers run well on c02, so thats definately the way to compete.

As for trigger frames, STICK WITH INTELLIFRAME! Dont go back to Carbon fiber single triggers, while I understand scenario users might not dig the look, im sure theyll dig the speed. Either do that or possibly design a single trigger intelliframe, thats optional in place of a double. So people who prefer a single, get a nifty all metal single trigger with a nice pull!

[paint magnet]

Originally posted by judster

my thoughts exactly...i have one already but would love to see them being made again...right not the best pistol out for scenario is the zeus...if AGD could get the tac one out at a good pric then reinterduce the sydarm they would have the scenario market almost cornered....

I'd say the best scenario pistol would be a PPS Squall Although it is out of the price range of most young scenario players.

But here's my suggestions for the Tac One:

Standard Rail
ULE body, dust black
powdercoated Classic valve
Lvl. 10 kit
Dust black Intelliframe w/ black stickies
dust black vertical adapter
AGD bicycle grip gasthru foregrip thingy or expansion chamber
CP micro drop and an on/off ASA
Braided ss line fittings, covered in heat shrink tubing

This way, you have a gun that is not shiny (so you won't get spotted "sniping" ), runs off Co2, easily sets up (just screw in a tank, no busted orings due to on/off) and will never chop. In addition it has a high rate of fire and a crisp trigger pull, all airlines are already installed, and it has vertical feed and cocker threads. For a price, I think it would be fair to say around $350-400. Oh yeah, and cut the backs off some twist lock original Crown Point barrels and make 'em cocker threaded, and that thing will shoot darts

[paint magnet]

Oh, and maybe offering it in a matte green would be good too.

[veteranmag]

I am in the market for a scenario/woods game marker, but with the current configuration, I would not buy the Tac One.

As others have noted, other than the color and the rails that accept flashlights and such, it's not really different than a mag one could currently piece together. What the mags need for this market segment is a cosmetic make-over.

The real fun of the scenario game is the role-playing: missions, uniforms and "weapons". To really get scenario players excited, I think that the tac one has to look the part - more like a real firearm.

1. Extend the body rail about 6" to incorporate a rail that fits a choice of foregrip. The standard one could have a horizontal checkered plastic grip (like an MP5), the grip is removable and can be replaced with a choice of grips (i.e. wooden horizontal grip like a thompson submachine gun, vertical pistol grip like a M-4, bipod, etc..)

2. Incorporate a fitting at the rear of the grip frame to allow for the attachment of a variety of stocks (folding wire stock, solid MP5 stock, CAR sliding stock, thompson wooden stock, etc.)

3. Build into the body a universal sight rail that can be used to mount standard iron sights, dot-scopes, M16 style carrying handle.

The point is let the individual player buy the parts to design the mock firearm of their choice. Not only does it look good, but it provides for a more rifle-like feel.

Look, if you had the choice of a tippmann made to look like an mp5 or a mag made to look like an mp5, the choice would be easy. Make a mag that can be made to look like an mp5, M-4, thompson, mp40, etc. and people would buy the accessories to make the mag look like the appropriate gun for the particular scenario!

"Wow, another gun for my collection": $350.

Max price I might consider: $500 (+ depending on accessories).

[SirTim]

If AGD wants to take the scenario world by storm, then please DO NOT price Tac-One as top-end marker. Tac-One must be price competitive against Tippmann A-5, not WGP VF Tactical.

I will only consider getting a Tac-One for $450, but I will
definitely get it line if it's $300.

For the record, I own 5 AGD markers from the classic mag to
the ULE Emag. I think the AGD markers has always been overpriced than their competitors. I know the quality that why I own AGD products.