My X-Mag Nightmare

[G-Rock]

Re: hey

Originally posted by DyNasTy
You think starting a little thread to knock 1 out of a 100 x-mags on is cool?

Well in Dirtybunny's defense, his is not the only one. Mine and Pito189, both from the first batch released, wont take 3.2 either. When they flashed ours it did the samething, and they just reloaded our old software back on.

I am with Dirtybunny on this, he has waited along time for this marker, and paid a small fortune!!

I have asked twice on here what can we do about this, can we send it to AGD and get it all fixed for 3.2 to be flashed? All I have gotten is technical advice like solder this here or that there, or run a tank of air through it.

I don't know crap about electronics, and dont want to send my marker in for the upgrade if I can not be guaranteed it will work when I get it back.

Chris Geiger

[cledford]

Bunny,

Everyone is sick of hearing you complain about AGD and Xmags. Did you ever think to call AGD? It seems like you enjoy coming here a trashing the company every chance you can. If you want to bust on them publicly at least give them a chance to make things right first.

I'll admit that you premium marker should work flawlessly upon arrival. That having been said, I'm just a little curious, did it get sent directly to you or go through a middle man? In either case is there ANY chance that the trigger got "adjusted" since the marker was shipped out? I had a problem with my Emag when I first purchased it that turned out to be a mis-adjusted HES. That was with 1.7. Regardless of the software version an out of tune trigger can cause full-auto. The fix takes 5 minutes, or less. Should it have come that way (properly adjusted) from the factory? Yes, but until we know whether you or someone else played with it (adjusting an Emag trigger is not as simple as on any other gun) it might just be something you or your agent did.

What the h-e-double-tooth-picks does the legality of the Xmag have to do with any of this? First, you are wrong. RobAGD plays all of the time in major tournaments with his. A properly setup E/X is completely legal. Second, if you have concerns about this being the case, why did you buy the marker in the first place? The rumors are nothing new and have been floating around almost as long as you've been waiting (and bleating) about your marker.

Hope you weren't looking for sympathy for your problem. I'm as apt to criticize a company as anyone, but when you CRY all of the time and seemingly never give the company a chance to make things right no one in the forum really has any regard for you. Since you never paid a dime for your Xmag your excessive whining during the wait period (which many somehow endured without a peep) bankrupted you around hear.

Here's an idea - sell the X and go buy a Shocker "SFT" - see how good they treat you.

-Calvin

[Tunaman]

Boy...what a bunch of whining , immature sissys! You are gonna encounter some pretty tough issues in life if you think this is the way to go about getting things fixed. Dirtybunny, I would expect a little more maturity out of you. You all cry and moan about "runaway", and you dont even know what "runaway" is. This is not "runaway. This is "full auto". Its a simple fix. So get it fixed. There is no reason to trash AGD for a problem that less that 1% of these guns have. Some of the boards/hes are a little more sensitive then others. Do the right thing, send it in, get the thing fixed. No more crying...please. I realize that you waited a long time and spent alot of cash....didn't we all. You are one of a very small percentage that feels this way. And about the 1400 shots...no big deal. Get it flashed while you have it in. The shot counter will be reset to 0. Not too tough.

[Tron]

I'm not sick of it whine on.

We can talk to cphilip about that I remember a thread where he had it out and was taking pics of it.

hmm legality of it going full auto during a tourney, what was confusing about that part?

I sympathize completely with him I have had my share of problems with AGD.

He is selling the X last time I checked and I would recommend a Viking or a DM4 which I am guessing he is going for.

-Tron

[Tron]

Originally posted by Tunaman
Boy...what a bunch of whining , immature sissys! You are gonna encounter some pretty tough issues in life if you think this is the way to go about getting things fixed. Dirtybunny, as you are a dealer, I would expect a little more maturity out of you. You all cry and moan about "runaway", and you dont even know what "runaway" is. This is not "runaway. This is "full auto". Its a simple fix. So get it fixed. There is no reason to trash AGD for a problem that less that 1% of these guns have. Some of the boards/hes are a little more sensitive then others. Do the right thing, send it in, get the thing fixed. No more crying...please. I realize that you waited a long time and spent alot of cash....didn't we all. You are one of a very small percentage that feels this way. And about the 1400 shots...no big deal. Get it flashed while you have it in. The shot counter will be reset to 0. Not too tough.

I like how you replied to him professionaly as an AGD dealer and mod... Next time PM him, lock the thread and move it over to the moderators forum. No need to feed the flames like the rest of us.

-Tron

[Tunaman]

My reply was not a flame. Get your stuff straight boy. I was offering him the proper way to get it fixed. What part of it dont you get Tron? And I will not lock or move this thread. If someone feels the need to trash AGD in public, I feel the need to defend them in public. If you are gonna dish it out, be prepared to get some unwanted feedback. And I will not PM him to resolve this issue..just like he didnt feel the need to email/contact AGD privately before flaming the Xmag line. Also, I was under the impression the Dirty was a dealer. I was mistaken. Sorry about that.

[Skoad]

your honestly mad that you gun came with 1400 shots on the counter?

would you rather have a marker that came from the factory not even fired, that way when you get it you can send it back because it doesn't work?

[shartley]

Originally posted by Skoad
your honestly mad that you gun came with 1400 shots on the counter?

would you rather have a marker that came from the factory not even fired, that way when you get it you can send it back because it doesn't work?

No, that is not what he was upset about. You may want to read what he wrote again. The issues he brought up are valid issues.

[fire1811]

my challenge to you is to show me one manufacture that has not shipped one bad gun!

things happen, this time you where just the lucky one.

get it fixed, move one, whatever.

[Tunaman]

Originally posted by shartley

No, that is not what he was upset about. You may want to read what he wrote again. The issues he brought up are valid issues.

You are right Sam. They are valid issues. But no need to trash AGD. I would fix the gun for free in 10 minutes if he wanted to send it to me. I DO feel for DirtyBunny. I Know that it has been a disheartening experience for him. But it is not like the marker cant be fixed. It certainly can. Please allow AGD to rectify the situation.

[cphilip]

Well I will wade in here.

When we examined that marker we only booted it up to make sure it had 3.2 on it. Bunny wanted 3.2 put on it if it did not have it. So we did confirm that it had it. We might have pulled the trigger a few times but not 1400 times. I do not really know why all of them have similar shot counts showing on them. Most of them do though. I do know they do not shoot them that many times with air at the factory. They must accumulate when they are setting the trigger at the factory. Most of them have that many shots showing but there are only some put on with air. Maybe a few hundred to cycle the valve and then the shots over the crono with air. I suspect most of them accumulate during build but not with air.

As to the 3.2. It does seem to have some bugs that appear on certain boards and not others. As to the fix I am not certain but it appears right now it just will not work on certain boards because it is sensitive to noise on those boards that appear to be unable to filter it out. That is just now becoming known. One fix for buffering has created another problem. We just started noticing it about the time of SE AO day because we now had just loaded it on numerous field markers that day. However Bunny wanted 3.2 But it may not be the best software for his board. If he wants it then the board may need to be changed. If he doesn't then reflash to a lower software would need to be done. At least for now. Unless we can figure out some other way to make 3.2 fix this those are the choices I fear.

I am hopefull that a software change can be the fix. Similar to what they did with the Angel Speeds. Many or most of them had a similar issue with noise from the trigger mechanism design that was causing full automatic fire symptoms too. Eventually they found a software fix for theirs. And were able to eliminate it. Many of those buyers were upset too. I don't blame them.

[Prairie]

Originally posted by Blazingace
Not for nothing, but you start 5 threads on getting the gun, 3 threads on having the gun and god knows how many threads on your little "problem" and you see fit to start yet another thread just to piss and moan about it. Why don't you do us a favor and walk away from paintball entirely? Please. I am sure that there is more than just you having this problem, and it is not the end of the world, so suck it up and deal. People pay 1300 and more for guns and they all don't come out perfect. My first X wouldn't shoot all the time. I took it to AGD at IAO and they kinda fixed the problem. It happens again and I take it to the Tunaman and he fixes it. I spent just as much as you, but I didn't waste everyone's time with useless post about how I was wronged by AGD. First grow up, then post up, would ya?

Any time you spend $1300 on a marker...from a company you respect, and you waited for months for the marker. You should expect a little more than what he recieved.

[pito189]

I had mine flashed to 3.2, it didn't work I had it flashed back. I payed just as much money for mine as you did. Your not special in that aspect. There are plenty of ways for you to go about getting it fixed other than making a post on AO. AGD has went through a lot of crap to get you the perfect color and everything you wanted. I mean seriously would you be able to go over to the Angel forums on PBNation and have John Rice tell you that he will get it worked out.

If your through with AGD then sell the gun, and move on. Sell it too someone who will appreciate the thing, instead of *****ing about it the whole time.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Tunaman
You are right Sam. They are valid issues. But no need to trash AGD. I would fix the gun for free in 10 minutes if he want to send it to me. I DO feel for DirtyBunny. I Know that it has been a disheartening experience for him. But it is not like the marker cant be fixed. It certainly can. Please allow AGD to rectify the situation.

[pito189]

Originally posted by shartley

It's not that he doesn't have a valid issue, or that he might not be angry, but it's hard to gauge his problems, when everytime some little thing happens he makes a post. I mean seriously he has had at least 5 posts in the last month and a half, ranging from him complaining about the color he chose, and so forth and so on. When all he simply has to do is pick up the phone, and get everything worked out. Rather than making a post for others to read about a problem that is few and far between.