I finished up all my changes a little while ago, I did not remove a single product. Tomorrow I will write them back. Just changed what I call them. After all, I would not wish to confuse you guys into thinking that the RDL's are made by WGP....these are far better.
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I think what irks me the most is the fact that they were sold to a company that is not Paintball...same as Tippmann selling out to Summit. All these guys like PB so much thay started making parts, then guns, or whatever...now some multi-national runs them.
Funny though. we all know what a Spyder clone is...do you think Kingmann is bent by that term? I really doubt it.Comment
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So is K2/WGP trying to get more dominance in the aftermarket?
A big part of the AC is all the fun stuff you can throw on it.
Where would the AC be today without a 3 o-ring design x-way. The Eblade and Raceframe are what make the AC even present in the PSP and NPPL. All those aftermarket swing frames were out before WGP made their own models.
Players are paying less attention to the field and more attention to the court room. I have no problem with a company protecting their IP. But when they start using the court room or the threat of litigation as a means of financially strong arming a company when they did not even have any legitimate claims to begin with, it is very irritating.Comment
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I found this: Summit GroupOriginally posted by G3PB
I'm not sure this is the right investment group, though.
If it is, not only did Tippmann go with a non-paintball company, they went with a non-American company.
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I think a solution is a aftermarket paintball manufacturers group. I union of aftermarket manufacturers.
Just like SEMA (Specalty Equipment Manufacturers Association) protects the intrests of automobile aftermarket manufacturers.
Give it a name make it look legit. When people are threatened to be sued they will bite.Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags
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As long as the MARKETING isn't using spyder clone as a selling point. So that if Kingmann puts down a couple million dollars on an advertising campaign, their promotion doesn't help 'the competition'.Originally posted by G3PB
As far as the Multinationals "taking over", weel they can't do that till the little to medium guys "sell out". But come-on. If you start a business, money is one of the reasons you keep going. When the fun starts becoming 'work', or you have to think about the future, etc, nothing wrong in cashing in on the time and energy you invested and getting the best payback you can.Comment
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Um, Bud's bodies are already made in Taiwan - not sure what he does with all of that space in his new warehouse...Originally posted by G3PB
Is this Terry Garrett?
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Please note: A lot of this post is historical conjecture - what I state is what I beleive to be true.
I guess the question comes to this - and it may or may not be the answer we like.
Is TK willing to move forward in the new paintball industry? Did far sighted diversifcation of AGD and his other interests put him in a position that it is possible to walk away from paintball? If it did, is he willing to move ahead, to continue to move forward with technology and innovation, or is it time to just quit - to find the K2/Summit/SP that wants the AGD name, and let go of the game he was such an important part of? Here it is, TK you have survived near direct copies of your markers (the colonial, the patriot) - you won then because you wanted to. Now you face legal issues, a restricted path of innovation, you are forced to think of an entirely new way to approach the problem. Does anyone have the old Automag manual - page ten and eleven are what I am thinking (you can find it on the AGD page http://www.airgun.com/Images/automan.pdf). You have new problems, new goals, new issues. You also have more resources, and a larger target audience (albeit with more competition in it). You have people comfortable with semi-autos, you don't have to fight to get people to accept them. You have the air source alternative - where CO2 plagued your early attempts at design. I do not expect that you have a company going to blatantly copy your design after you are done. Sure you have other issues to contend with, but you dealt with problems before and you overcame them. Is AGD going to be here next year? I guess thats up to you. You have my respect for all you have accomplished regardless of what you decide, it is more than I could have accomplished and we ask more of you now than most of us can ever do."Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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I thought they were from Mexico? I know either way, the tolerences aren't that great on what they've been getting. I wonder if they make any of their higher end stuff in the US still...Originally posted by cledford
And isn't it Garnett? I'm fairly sure it's the man though. I've been a big fan of G3 for a while.
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I don't know what to do, me spending my 500-600 on an RT ULE isn't going to save AGD, but I want to support them, I currently have a Revenge owned by AKA because I support them (and my local store). This is frustrating to see a good sport go from being innovative and expanding to a way to make money, I get irritated when people say in videos about paintball how it's a multi-million dollar business expanding fast, that is true, but that is not what paintball is about. I would be happy if everyone shot pump guns, as long as I got to play, but what paintball is turning into, I just don't like it. Which is why I don't feel to support these big companies, Paintball is fun no matter where or when it's played, but when the sport is becoming something that I don't want to support, I'm not sure what to do. My friends want me to play tournies with them and have a good time, but I have just as good of a time in the woods, crawling through trees and hiding behind trees.
I'm debating whether to sell my revenge and get a Tac-One just to show my support for AGD...
My 2 top companies are AGD and AKA... next to PMI...My Feedback
UBLPB. UBLPB. UBLPB.
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Originally posted by cledford
Bud was already having his bodies produced in Taiwan?...that would explain the drop in price and the lack of quality.....
A few years back, Cockers were selling slow because of reputation, Mags are slow due to an ancient idea that they break paint.....now, if only we could get the truth out about AC's
Yep, this is Terry......Comment
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Originally posted by DK1
Calvin got it - it's GarrettComment
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Continue to show my support ..
Got rid of my Tiawan POS Armotech WG65 ...
got my RT ULE .... Just ordered my Warp directly from AGD ... just have to walk down and get it.
I'll never go Tac One because of my love of the original design of the AutoMag. Granted through the years I never had the chance to purchase one. Well I got my RT ULE and now I have to wait and order my WARP ULE .... I would have ordered it when I got my RT but I didn't know they were still available!!!
I'll post a pic when I get it up.
Besides .... My A5 is my scenario marker .... my RT I will use for every other game.
I think the only scenario I'll play this year where I don't use my A-5 will be Shatnerball ...
Well at least until I shoot Shatner or Mancow ... then I might switch to my a5 ... At least then I can still stay I gave them a AGD brand in the butt
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Ash:
"Alright you Primative Screwheads, listen up .... See this?? This is my BOOMSTICK!!!!"
"Well hello Mister Fancy Pants. I've got news for you pal, you ain't leading but two things right now: Jack and **** ... Jack left town."
ATC Paintball Factory Team Member.
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Got a solution to the possible AC problem.
Hey Tom,
If you're a little concerned about the AC barrel threads, just post the thread count and remove the AC wording ...
THEN ... either make you're own barrels, OR contact all the company's that are being told to cease making "AC" barrels and tell them they can call them AGD barrels. No retooling on their part because I REALLY don't think WGP can "patent" a standard thread measurement on a barrel, and they end up lovin' you because you help them keep their product on the shelf.
In the long run new people will be looking to purchase a new paintgun and see the WGP has some options but it's only from them, or they can get a AGD markers and really personalize it because everyone out there will be making AGD parts.
Just a thought. Most likely you either thought of it already or it's been posted and I'm to lazy to read every one.
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Ash:
"Alright you Primative Screwheads, listen up .... See this?? This is my BOOMSTICK!!!!"
"Well hello Mister Fancy Pants. I've got news for you pal, you ain't leading but two things right now: Jack and **** ... Jack left town."
ATC Paintball Factory Team Member.
www.atcpaintball.comComment
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[QUOTE=slasherdan]Hey Tom,
If you're a little concerned about the AC barrel threads, just post the thread count and remove the AC wording ...
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I was told by an attorney that as long as "compatable with" is used and trademark considerations were observed, there is nothing they can do about it...
This is still paramount to the days that I listed "Dye Two-Finger AutoMag Grip Frame" but Tom never threatened to sue me for it.....seems rather obvious to any other than an idiot that this is a Dye frame...no one ever asked me if it were a genuine AGD part. No one was ever confused over it.....Comment
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