TAnkless guns now a reality

[1stdeadeye]

Wow!!!

How??

Put me on the wait list!!!

[LudavicoSoldier]

Looks to be a great gun to fool around the house with. I spend way too much time and money getting fills when I will be shooting around the backyard. I'll buy one! I'd love to see a feed clip for it, preferably around 50-60 rounds.

[ScatterPlot]

This thing + reballs= free paintball.

[manike]

Some facts for you rumour monger types.

This is aimed at the lower end of the market where it's hard to get fills and the kids want to be able to play anytime. With this marker they don't have to go get gas fills, it's also far safer because until you pull the trigger there is no compressed gas involved.

It's more aimed at people that haven't played paintball before or don't want to worry about having to get fills in order to go play.

We are looking to put it into stores that don't currently supply gas refills (K-mart and Walmart etc.) I doubt it's the kind of thing you will see at your local pro shop initially.

We are hoping to use it to grow the ground roots of paintball, and make it more accessible to people to play easier and often.

It does get a full 300fps.

Our tests so far show that because of the way it works it's very consistent from shot to shot, and that makes it accurate.

The reason it is that size and in a bullpup design is because of the battery pack required and the system by which it operates.

It actually weighs almost exactly the same as a Model 98 with a full 9 0z CO2. That was our benchmark.

It's quicker and easier to change a battery than reloading a hopper. You can change the battery in a few seconds. (I promise to do a quick change video for you guys so you can see.) Those little buttons at the back and bottom release the butt plate... which is actually the battery pack. It slids in and out like a battery pack in a hand drill. You will be able to have different battery pack options to change the gun length, and to run a remote battery pack if you want to (which should get you into the 1000 shots range).

It's not my concept, but I did the packaging and styling. I still have some work to finish it, so if people like or don't like it... now's the time to say something! (constructive criticism is welcome, being an idiot isn't).

We'll have more accessories and stuff for it as time goes on. :tup:

We worked our nuts off to be able to unveil the prototype at the shot show. We still have some room to manouvre, but it's getting close.

Much of the styling is 'form following function', but the exterior texture of the prototype is not how it will be when it comes off the production tools. We are still working on that.

We just had to get to a level to be able to show it at the 'Shot Show'

It's not about people that can get easy access to co2. It's designed for those that can't.

There are more players playing in their own back yards, than there are at events.

Who here hasn't gone to shoot their gun and found out they had no gas?

If you always put your battery on charge that won't ever happen again...

This could be a HUGE paradigm shift for the starter section of our industry.

And everyone always has compressed gas around?

And all stores can sell compressed gas?

K-mart and Walmart don't have the ability to provide their customers with CO2 refills. Now they don't have to.

I don't have the ability to create compressed gas at home for my paintball gun. Do you?

What percentage of players play paintball at fields or events that supply the compressed gas?

It may be possible to tap one of the biggest areas of paintball, the back yard players, AND make low end paintball safer due to the lack of co2 tanks...

It would have been much easier to make it vert feed, but we held out and developed a pretty clever side feed system, because we believe it's important for the beginners who like to sight a gun in a normal fashion to feel more comfortable as they start out.

You can also remove the feed port very quickly and easiy, and run a sprung fed magazine in a low slung fashion along the side of the gun (mounted to the picattiney rail).

Gives you a realistic number of shots to a real gun and no big hopper on top. Who'd of thought of it.

[manike]

all props to Manike but,

what's the big deal of adapting well-known piston and spring airsoft technology to pb?

The only reason it wasn't done before is because other folks looked at the limitations and said 'nah, not yet'.

Next we'll be seeing a 'red ryder' pump carbine with an overpressure relief valve in the air chamber so that you can't pump it up more then ten times for a shot...

I don't know, whats the big deal about someone adapting a collet clamp to paintball?
or a pnuematic ram to activate a sear?



Maybe where others saw limitations, we saw potential. :)

[manike]

Yeah actually musik's right.

I think this thing looks like crap, is slow, has crappy battery life etc, but it would be very cool to own. Defently for screwing around the house so you dont have to go get a fill or whatever.
Actually.. wow.. I'd like to have like 4 or so of these, I could play paintball around the house with my friends and not worry about gas.

NOW you see the potential...

[Glickman]

whats a decent amount of balls per game?

200-250?

so at most 3 games then a hour and a half of eating pizza?????!?!?!





weeeeellll....


hmm *scratch head*

[manike]

whats a decent amount of balls per game?

200-250?

so at most 3 games then a hour and a half of eating pizza?????!?!?!





weeeeellll....


hmm *scratch head*

How many shots do you get on your Model 98 or Spyder with a 9 oz?

What if you are playing where you can't get immediate refills?

[Mister Sinister]

It makes sense to me... The market they are targeting this for is the type that might shoot 300 in a day... My neighbors kid is like that 4 of them buy a box of a thousand and split it and go shoot each other in the vacant lot... I think the idea makes good business sense but the price tag for that group might be a bit high... What marker now at walmart costs 250...

[Glickman]

How many shots do you get on your Model 98 or Spyder with a 9 oz?

What if you are playing where you can't get immediate refills?

thats why most people play on these new fangled things called paintball fields

its not the number of shots thats the problem (i plan on getting ~750 with my shocker)
its the length of time it takes to "recharge". its 90 minutes vs 2 minutes.


if they lowered the price a little, and worked on the effiency though, i might consider buying two, and making some friends do the same, they would definitly extend the range of where you can play paintball

i wonder if theres the possibility of a high-speed recharging battery that works off of a generator

[manike]

My first gut reaction wasnt overwhelmingly favorable.

However, your explanations of the reasons behind its debut and the markets you are going after with this marker give me pause.

Its beginning to grow on me...

And what were we saying the other day about making paintball safer? and paradigm shifts.

Who was it that said there wouldn't be any paradigm shifts any time soon? I should go back and check and quote him.

I believe this may do both. I hope this will make the sport safer away from controlled fields, because...

You can't run it crazy hot.

You can make it completely safe, easily and obviously, by removing the battery (the butt plate area). Takes less than a second to do so, and we are intending to make the area of the battery that usually fits inside the stock, and inside the stock, a BRIGHT colour to show it's safe.

There is far less potential for danger and no risk of accidental projectiles until you pull the trigger. There is no stored energy except in the battery pack so you don't have to seal gases or prevent leaks etc.

No compressed gas tank. (which was the only major safety problem in recent years).

You can play more easily. (good for the industry)

I like that combination.

I don't know if it will be successful or not, but I hope so.

[manike]

thats why most people play on these new fangled things called paintball fields

its not the number of shots thats the problem (i plan on getting ~750 with my shocker)
its the length of time it takes to "recharge". its 90 minutes vs 2 minutes.


if they lowered the price a little, and worked on the effiency though, i might consider buying two, and making some friends do the same, they would definitly extend the range of where you can play paintball

i wonder if theres the possibility of a high-speed recharging battery that works off of a generator

That's just it. Most people DON'T play at fields.

Those are the people we are trying to make safer, and make this available to.

Yes we are working on fast chargers, and yes we are working on getting the price as low as possible.

We are actually working very hard here, contrary to popular belief, we don't just go out back and shoot paintball guns all day... errrr.... eerrrr... honest.

[kdawg]

This will definately have potential......Nice work

Until you mentioned the spring fed clip loading system(which will be nice), I was thinking this won't look right with a hopper on top.

Some sort of integrated or possibly removable loader formed to the top of the marker would be a nice add-on.......you could take advantage of the length and width of that prototype so a hopper wouldn't sit all that tall. Would be nice to see something that doesn't mount like todays convetional loaders.....since you're getting all inovative anyways .

Then all you would need is paint and a mask to play.......would be great for people just starting out.

[manike]

This will definately have potential......Nice work

Until you mentioned the spring fed clip loading system(which will be nice), I was thinking this won't look right with a hopper on top.

Some sort of integrated or possibly removable loader formed to the top of the marker would be a nice add-on.......you could take advantage of the length and width of that prototype so a hopper wouldn't sit all that tall. Would be nice to see something that doesn't mount like todays convetional loaders.....since you're getting all inovative anyways .

Then all you would need is paint and a mask to play.......would be great for people just starting out.

We have lots of stuff coming for this, which may well fit what you are looking for. :)

[Evil Bob]

Your first indication on where this marker was headed should have been the MSRP price, $250 puts it into the mid range Spyder category.

My kids play airsoft with spring powered single shot pistols around the neighborhood far more often then we go out and play paintball, its almost a daily activity for them. 3-4 of these babies and a case of flourscent reballs and they'll be set.

Sadly, the PBN myoptic vision some of you have is very disheartening. This technology parallels many different industries where technology advances have changed the landscape. Take the auto industry for example, your current favorite electro marker is much like the high end hybrids, part gas, part electric. Manike's group have brought out the fully electric car, not great gas mileage, not the best looking beast on the road, but its a good start in the right direction. This is the infancy stage, it will only get better from here on out. This is much like the first fully electric cars that came out which had a top speed of 60 mph and a max range of 150 miles, it'll get better. Todays fully electrics already have better top speeds and range in only a scant couple of years. In 2-5 years you may find yourself with a fully electric high end tourny marker, dont be stupid and discount the technology simply because it "doesnt look good" or "isn't fast enough".

Tourny players make up less then 1% of the total number of people playing paintball, sadly many of you dont understand that the whole PB world doesn't revolve around tournament play. Manike and friends are aiming for the broadest market, this is a smart business move, this product has great potential.

-Evil Bob