Ramping is so wrong, but run away is great

[Cow hunter]

rampng you dont really do anyhtng but set it, runaway it takes tme to set and tune the gun, but both are still wrong i think.........

[ZEROte]

honestly if you think ramping is bad i think your just a ***** whos scared to take a hit or two.

[Automaggot68]

honestly if you think ramping is bad i think your just a ***** whos scared to take a hit or two.

No, they just adhere to a different set of rules and opinions.

[dolphin1823]

Technically speaking, hitting the sweet spot on an RT isn't cheating because you are still firing one shot per one pull of the trigger and your finger still has to move for each shot fired. Sweet-spotting takes practice and is different on every marker. It takes time to develope as a skill. When I started on mags I was really slow, but each time I play I get a little faster.

Cheater boards require no skill use and shoot as many rounds as you want for one trigger pull. Yes, you have to reach 3-5 balls a second for ramping to engage but anyone can shoot an electro 3-5 times a second.

The problem most people who don't like ramping have with it isn't the shear speed, its the skill. If you can shoot 26bps in semi that's awesome, but you're a wuss if all you do is press the firebutton and let computer do all the shooting, and you are taking away from legitimate pros who worked hard to get there.

In my mind its no different than using steroids in Baseball to hit the ball harder. Its an unfair advantage that demeans the skills of real atheletes.

Right on! Sweet spotting is hard to master, to much or to little pressure on the trigger with your finger and it doesn't work.
I've got the X-valve with a Rouge "Viper Blade Trigger" with the set screws, with the reactivity of the X-valve, I can shoot pretty fast, but it took some practice. Plus if I want to shoot 4 or 5 shots quickly, only 4 or 5 come out, it won't jump into ramping and shoot 15 balls out. Pretty much that's my biggest problem with ramping, I see it as a safty issue, if a player wants to shoot and can pull 15 bps on their marker, well in my book, their awsome, but only because they had to pull the trigger 15 times to do it. I know I'd feel bad if I were playing and I got a angle on some on, ripped off like 3 or 4 shots and 15 came out and most of those hit that player instead of the 3 or 4 I wanted to shoot.

[BigEvil]

If your gun can ramp then us mag users are jealous

I don't know who says ramping is bad, I havent heard too many people ***** about it for awhile. And us mag players must not hate it that much, judging by the number of pre-orders for the Emag Predator board

[magman007]

i dont like ramping, and most of you know this, but it is how the game is progressing. Dolphin, have you ever shot an electro with ramping on psp mode? 15 balls dont magically come out.

[zackzel]

If your gun can ramp then us mag users are jealous

I don't know who says ramping is bad, I havent heard too many people ***** about it for awhile. And us mag players must not hate it that much, judging by the number of pre-orders for the Emag Predator board

I agree with you, I don't think many of us are really against ramping I just think the ones that are against it are just very loud about it. And I also think there are alot of people that are completly indifferent on it.

[dolphin1823]

i dont like ramping, and most of you know this, but it is how the game is progressing. Dolphin, have you ever shot an electro with ramping on psp mode? 15 balls dont magically come out.

No I haven't, the last electo I shot was a 2k2 Shocker, semi only. I maybe don't know what the heck I'm talking about, I've been accused of it by my wife for years, I'm going by info I've read on here and that other paintball fourm site.
The begining of the year I posted a question on here "whats ramping?" because to me it sounded like those firing modes that came out when electros came out, I believe they were called "hyper mode" or something like that, but basiclly it was when you hit a certain bps this "hyper mode" would kick in and more balls would be shot out of your marker than times the trigger is pulled. Then those "hyper" modes were banned, and now there back and called ramping.
If I'm wrong then please correct me, I'm always open to learing new stuff.

[SCpoloRicker]

Runaway is roughly the equivalent of ramping.

Zak (and others) generally do speed tests with high pressure/scuba for the "Wow, thats really neat factor."

Carbon shooting Zak in the face was awesome. It was also my fault, as I was his back player at the time.

/anything else?

[dahoeb]

how often can you go to the field and see someone with a marker ramping in game? i personally have seen that every weekend for the past 2 years.

how often do you go to a field and see an automag with the input pressure cranked up and then see the person go shoot ungodly fast, uncontrolled strings of paint down the actual playing field? i have personally never seen that. i have never seen anyone show up to the field with a mag running on cranked up pressure. heck...i'm lucky if i even go to the field and see a mag at all!

my point is, if it were a widespread problem, then i'm sure it would be addressed and dealt with. the majority of pballers don't even use adjustable tanks anymore, most of us just stick with carefree presets, so most of us couldn't do it even if we wanted to.

also, a mag with the pressure cranked up enough to run away is really obvious, a player would be lucky to get through the first game without getting caught.

ramping is a little more discreet and not as noticable.

for the sweetspotting of mags; i don't think thats worth looking at either, simply because its so difficult to do on a lot of mags. i've shot mags that were a little easier to sweet spot, but it'd only shoot like 2 or 3 rounds, and it was a lot more difficult to do (than ramping) and never had practical application in a game. sweetspotting is GENERALLY only easy when the pressure is cranked up, and by that time its basically runaway mode.
there are exceptions to that though, like people tinkering with the ult's, but again, its really uncommon. you don't go to a field and see mags out there shooting 15+ bps with ease.

ramping, however, can be done at almost anytime and anywhere once that designated speed is reached. ramping doesn't rquire all these mods (like ult's and adjustable tanks) and doesn't take any mechanical tinkering skill to do.

and most of the time when we see videos of people modding their mags to runaway, they do it in their backyard just for fun or just to show what the mag is capable of doing. not neccessarily what it normally does.

whew...i'm spent, that was too much typing for me.

[Asym]

Cheater boards require no skill use and shoot as many rounds as you want for one trigger pull. Yes, you have to reach 3-5 balls a second for ramping to engage but anyone can shoot an electro 3-5 times a second.

Hi....its not cheating if it is allowed at the field or tourny. Unless you are now the governing body of all that is allowed in paintball.

Technically speaking, hitting the sweet spot on an RT isn't cheating because you are still firing one shot per one pull of the trigger and your finger still has to move for each shot fired. Sweet-spotting takes practice and is different on every marker. It takes time to develope as a skill. When I started on mags I was really slow, but each time I play I get a little faster.

Oh its not technically cheating but a different kind of cheating? Sorry but its not really a skill, its bouncing off your finger your not pulling anything but the first pull then holding your finger there, unless you have the hands of a monkey that can't carry an egg without breaking it. You learn where to hold you finger so it bounces or goes RT. I'll give you that it is different on every marker but thats just common sense, you just have to learn where to hold your finger for each particular gun so it will bounce, or technically go Reactive Trigger.
Technically its leagal because the trigger makes your fingers move each pull, but your really playing lawyer ball if you really think its legal because you actually pulled off each of those shots.

My mag ramps and I go semi if its not allowed.

[ojhspyro89]

Ive played with ramping before.... im not sure if i like it.

If id play in a tourney that allowed it, of course id play with it. It makes the game a helluva lot easier. You can lane without trying.

Personally, if i ramp, im going to use the Millenium Ramp on my nox board.... its REAL fast.

[MadPSIence]

Simple... Zak displays the gruesome mag power just for entertainment and would never use it like that in a game.

Ramping, is used in games.


There lies your answer. Not only that, but ramping is kind of boring compared to a gun getting juiced up on air and shooting stupid fast on a mechanical trigger. A computer making a gun shoot fast isn't too interesting anymore.

[bunker17]

actually ramping and bounce are almost making me quit this game ive been playing since i was 14 and the last time i went i was real no fun. i don't think sweetspotting is right either but there is a b ig difference in which u don't see it that much has opposed to my sunday game when everyone except me was ramping

[ottomobile]

Asym You need to chill out bro, cheater board is common vanacular for any ramping electronic board. And ramping wasn't legal in the NPPL till this year.
I think PGI editor RoBo has the best analysis of ramping. It takes away from the skill of the player and levels the playing field. Leveling the playing field at a professional level is bad. It would be like letting every wide reciever in the NFL use stickum. You want your players at the highest level of play to develop skills that make them that much better. The discipline that it takes to get there should be rewarded. Ramping takes that away and decreases the challenge of the sport.
And sorry if you didn't like my use of the word "technically" I'm a Professional Engineer and look at everything technically. Since you didn't like my earlier reasoning here's it again more detailed.
A reactive trigger provides force feedback using energy from the firing cycle to return the trigger to its initial position. To find the "sweet spot" one applies force to the trigger at the point where the sear is just tripped. The idea being to prevent the trigger from having to travel its entire pivot period. After firing ,the reactive force of the trigger is greater than the force of your finger at the point of tripping the sear pushing your finger back. After the initial shock your brain moves the finger back to original place you want it. So yes, you are actucally pulling trigger each time, albiet using your reflexes to do so. You are basically just shortening the trigger pull to a couple millimeters. This is 'technically' not cheating because it follows the constrains of a semi-automatic marker, one shot per pull of the trigger. No rule states that a trigger must travel its entire pivot period. If it did stops would be illegal and electros would be sol. While some tourneyments have also banned RT modes many, if not most novice and rookie tourneyments have no restrictions on RT modes.


ojhspyro89 makes my point. It shouldn't be easy to lane. It should be hard because you need to work for that skill. And as for people not liking ramping? I play at PEV's outside DC. Most of the people I know there are against it in rec ball and skeptical of it in tourney's.

Safety is also another issue with ramping. A mask isn't designed to withstand 15 direct hits and could break, serious bruising can result from being shot several times in one spot, and fights will be more common. I don't know about you guys but when I'm in a tourney I get pissed when I'm blindsided by 10-15 shots when 3 or 4 would have been plenty. People are going to get mad and fight. Its enevitable.

But if Robo is right, ramping will be gone in 2 or 3 years after the NXP and NPPL go belly up...