Ramping is so wrong, but run away is great

[SlartyBartFast]

no one is monitoring every member. he is just pointing out that in just about every thread about a RT mag shooting insanely fast with sweetspotting, the general consensus is "OMG that is so awesome!!!" but in most threads on the topic of ramping, the majority of the posts are somewhat along the line of "those cheating bastards!"

But is anyone cheering the awsome speed and capability of the RT and then saying they want ot go onto a game field with that setup?

It's two different things. And to link the two and tehn blame AO with hypocrisy is just stupid.

And Lohman, post your 'example' if you want. I don't think it is one.

Even if TK used the modified autoresponse to make a full auto Mag, and has always said accuracy is attained through volume, he always seemed to be on the side of following the rules.

[phantomhitman]

But is anyone cheering the awsome speed and capability of the RT and then saying they want ot go onto a game field with that setup?

why yes, yes they did. their reason stated is to keep up with the new e markers out there.......

[SlartyBartFast]

why yes, yes they did. their reason stated is to keep up with the new e markers out there.......

Fine, but that's individuals, not AO as a whole.

And they are only hypocirites if they want bounce while call for banning ramping.

[DaveSM]

I feel its ok in Tournys, in fact I've thought about it and changed my opinion. I think its good that it levels the playing field, even though some feel that shooting fast is a skill, I think its more important that the team with better playing skills wins and not the ones with faster markers. If every marker can shoot 15 bps, then the team with better movement, accurecy and communication skills should win. Kinda like in base ball, the team with the better hitters should win, not a team with better bats.

What if shooting fat was a skill? You think you level the field but you level the skills of the players. I know someone who was shooting above the average before ramping started up and now he is pissed up because others shoots as fast as him and don't have any skills. Communication and movements are key for this sport I admit but before ramping skills had much more impacts. I see less and less front players. The more and more players tend to stick on their bunker and throw ropes of paint. Highly reactive RT shouldn't be used in game situation just as ramping. If you use it to show the capability of a marker, from a technical view point, it is correct but don't use them in a game.

[Dawg047]

The way I see it, who cares? Who cares if the RT doesn't require you to pull your finger everytime(in my opinion it does it is just so minute you don't notice), who cares if ramping does not require skill? The truth is, it is out there and what are we going to do about it? Well, I can tell you that the rec-fields love ramping and RT's because people are shooting paint. Paint means more money for the field. As far as in tournaments, who cares if someone is using ramping or RT? If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Just the other day I was playing X-ball with my classic mag. Now, this team from another field came down and they were all on a team against us rec-players. I had my mag, my other team mates had spyders and maybe a ION. Well, they were all using Timmy's and guess what, I shot one running the tape, I buckered one in the snake and I shot the one in the 50. Yep, there was paint flying everywhere, yep, they were ramping. Did I care? Nope, keep your cool and you can do anything. It all comes down to experience. You got to be smarter than the other players no matter what you or them are shooting. Well, that was my rambling and crazy paintball story for the evening.

[ottomobile]

The way I see it, who cares? Who cares if the RT doesn't require you to pull your finger everytime(in my opinion it does it is just so minute you don't notice), who cares if ramping does not require skill? The truth is, it is out there and what are we going to do about it? Well, I can tell you that the rec-fields love ramping and RT's because people are shooting paint. Paint means more money for the field. As far as in tournaments, who cares if someone is using ramping or RT? If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Just the other day I was playing X-ball with my classic mag. Now, this team from another field came down and they were all on a team against us rec-players. I had my mag, my other team mates had spyders and maybe a ION. Well, they were all using Timmy's and guess what, I shot one running the tape, I buckered one in the snake and I shot the one in the 50. Yep, there was paint flying everywhere, yep, they were ramping. Did I care? Nope, keep your cool and you can do anything. It all comes down to experience. You got to be smarter than the other players no matter what you or them are shooting. Well, that was my rambling and crazy paintball story for the evening.

I think you are missing the point. We've all discussed whether or not ramping and RT are the same or different. But the two core isues are money and safety and here's why:

Saftey:
Before ramping the number of player who could shoot more then 15bps was very small and reserved for just a few elite. Even most pro-players counldn't hit that speed on the field. Now paintball is a very safe sport but the more projectiles in the air, the more opporuntities for injury. We all no what a paintball shot looks like and the bruises you can get. But here's the thing, as ramping proliferates and more and more people are shooting at 10+bps suddenly the landscape is different. Can your googles take 10 or 20 shots at once without breaking? Can your skin take that many without hemeraging? PGI magazine reported that injuries were up this year in the PSP and the NXL has a higher injury rate than either the PSP or NPPL directly due to the increased speed of all the guns. At the pro-level things are a little safter. Team sponsors can afford to equip their teams with high-end safty gear. On the rec field its a different story. Saftey is a much bigger concern when a $1500 marker is matched against at $30 mask and minimal saftey gear. I'm not saying they aren't sufficient, but the concerns need to validated or invalidated.

Money:
All professional athletes want to make a lot of money. They work very hard at developing their skills and want to be well paid for it. Owners want their team to have a competitive advantage over other teams and will pay a lot of money to get it. Shooting fast is a skill. Without a ramping computer athletes work for years honing their skills to shoot fast. Shooting fast is only an advantage if you are faster than the next guy. By allowing ramping guns you are effectivly negating a skill of a professional player. Think of it like this: In the NFL recievers are restricted as to the types of gloves they can wear. A player cannot wear 'sticky' gloves to enhance his play. Why? Because players like Jerry Rice have worked really hard to become the reciever he is. If everyone could catch a ball like Rice just by wearing a pair of gloves then good wide recievers would not be in demand, saleries would drop and players would spend less time developing their skills and the quality of the game would drop. Why should a future Jerry Rice play in a league where his talents would be negated by a $20 pair of gloves?
Its the same for paintball. Shooting fast is just one small aspect of the game, true, but it still is an important one.

There is a third reason to decry ramping and that is ethics. The PSP and NPPL have stated that the ONLY reason ramping has been allowed this year and capped at 15bps is that cheating in previous years had become rampant and they felt that the only way to police and control it was to legalize and regulate it. While this logic works for some it is ultimatly flawed. To legitimize an activity simply because a large section of the populace does it anyway is stupid. If that logic held true in government the speed limit should be around 85 because everyone speeds. The NPPL and PSP went in the wrong dircetion. If they had held a confrence and looked at the technology, saw it as an important advance to the game, then thats a good reason to legalize it. But they have stated that is only to regulate the rampant cheating. If thats the case then they would have been much better off enacting a strict penalty system to punish offenders. You cheat, you are expelled from the event. You cheat again, your team is banned for life from professsional events. harsh? yeah, but I garuntee you you won't see as much cheating.