Ramping is so wrong, but run away is great

[MadPSIence]

^ To add to the above. A lot of the random "look at my welts" pictures I have been seeing display anything from 5-10+ welts on someones body..a result of ramping.

A really common phrase in the ramping/speed cap discussion is "nobody can walk thru a row of paint at 15bps" no kidding. If you lay on the trigger only for a second or so with ramping on, you'll have enough time to get it goin full 15bps and there is at that time.... 15 balls flying towards a spot. At 250-299 (avg) FPS if anyone even twitches into the direction of the on coming balls they are going to receive anywhere from most to alll of them on their body.

THAT, is uncontrollable power in paintball.

[yakitori]

I have the only true answer. Kids will be kids. Thats it. My gun is better than your gun. Mines faster, mines got the fastest recharging valve made, yada yada yada....mine mine mine.

thats the level of mentality of many paintballers. Unfortunately.

[dahoeb]

I have the only true answer. Kids will be kids. Thats it. My gun is better than your gun. Mines faster, mines got the fastest recharging valve made, yada yada yada....mine mine mine.

thats the level of mentality of many paintballers. Unfortunately.

good point, yakitori

[MadPSIence]

good point, yakitori

He's right. BUt I'd still rather not cop out on behalf of kids being tools.

[phantomhitman]

Yes, people that sweetspot in games while denouncing ramping are hypocrites. People with this mentality no doubt exist on this board but I'd like to hope they are a very small minority. There are idiots everywhere, what can you do?

Most intelligent post yet.

Ramping is not cheating in tourneys that allow it, which is just about every tourney. The ONLY reason ramping is around is because it was getting so dam hard to catch the cheaters, so they made a limit (15bps) and basically said we dont care how you shoot as long as you dont break 15bps.

Ramping on a rec field is just plain stupid. Unless you are practicing with other who use it, or are gearing up for a tourney there is absolutely no reason for ramping. I have witnessed 2 incidents in the past 3 weeks were a kid with an angel g7 ramped his way into getting yelled at and left the field. It is just ignorant.

Bouncing/rt/runaway/sweetspot on a mag is 100% illegal at tourneys as well as fields. It is not 1 shot per pull and it is not capped at 15bps. I takes about 30 minutes of practice to find the sweet spot of the trigger, so it is not like a lost artform or anything. You are holding you finger at the breaking point, you are not even pulling the trigger! Try to get in a local tourney or major event with competent refs and see what happens. I understand ao being biased towards mags, but give me a break.

With all that being said, I hate ramping, added shots, cheating boards, boucning, runaway, sweet spotting. It all takes away the skill of pulling a trigger fast. It should all be banned, but that is impossible. Some idiot will always try to cheat regardless of skill level, marker, or location. I have seen new people cheat as much as tourney players by wiping, flipping on full auto switchs of their low end guns, playing on, having velocities set purposely high, and bashing other newer players/kids. This goes back to the old school also, with trying to up input pressures, hiding paint onto the field, fingering cocking rods, and the ever so infamous wiping. Humans will always cheat, and that cannot be stopped (unfotunately).

[ottomobile]

Most intelligent post yet.

Ramping is not cheating in tourneys that allow it, which is just about every tourney. The ONLY reason ramping is around is because it was getting so dam hard to catch the cheaters, so they made a limit (15bps) and basically said we dont care how you shoot as long as you dont break 15bps.

Ramping on a rec field is just plain stupid. Unless you are practicing with other who use it, or are gearing up for a tourney there is absolutely no reason for ramping. I have witnessed 2 incidents in the past 3 weeks were a kid with an angel g7 ramped his way into getting yelled at and left the field. It is just ignorant.

Bouncing/rt/runaway/sweetspot on a mag is 100% illegal at tourneys as well as fields. It is not 1 shot per pull and it is not capped at 15bps. I takes about 30 minutes of practice to find the sweet spot of the trigger, so it is not like a lost artform or anything. You are holding you finger at the breaking point, you are not even pulling the trigger! Try to get in a local tourney or major event with competent refs and see what happens. I understand ao being biased towards mags, but give me a break.

With all that being said, I hate ramping, added shots, cheating boards, boucning, runaway, sweet spotting. It all takes away the skill of pulling a trigger fast. It should all be banned, but that is impossible. Some idiot will always try to cheat regardless of skill level, marker, or location. I have seen new people cheat as much as tourney players by wiping, flipping on full auto switchs of their low end guns, playing on, having velocities set purposely high, and bashing other newer players/kids. This goes back to the old school also, with trying to up input pressures, hiding paint onto the field, fingering cocking rods, and the ever so infamous wiping. Humans will always cheat, and that cannot be stopped (unfotunately).

For the most part I agree with your last statement. Ramping and runnaway should be banned. Its just not safe. Rather than catering to cheaters they should just ban all RT/runnaways/ramoing. I'd rather give up RTing than surcumb to cheaters with no skill. 100% semi-auto all the time and if you get caught cheating, that should earn you an instant life-time ban from the sport. No exceptions.
Sweetspoting however isn't 100% illegal. PEV's runs the largest operation on the east coast and their rules only ban ramping, not mechanical RT's for amateur tournements. In fact I've played their with my RT and it was cleared by the judges with no problems. They seem to only check electros.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on sweetspoting. All I know is that I've spent a lot more than 30 minutes with my RT and I'm still learning how to hit the sweet spot and while the RT does push my finger I push back every time. It sure as heck feels like I'm pulling every shot. But if giving it up brings some sanity back to the game I'm all for it.
I think we can let Tippmann have their RT though. I have never seen anyone able to rip that thing!

[yakitori]

He's right. BUt I'd still rather not cop out on behalf of kids being tools.

again w/ the cop out talk. grow up already. Everyone knows my point of view on it. Ive been saying this about sweetspotting mags or tippmann RTs back when ppl were moaning about ramping. I dont use it. Remember PSI, when you wouldnt get it through your thick head my point of view, then started calling me a cheater and stuff just because I dont grab a soap box and moan everytime someone ramps. Dont start that crap again.

and YES ppl can get through a rope of paint at 15+bps. Firstly, the person has to be laning the right spot, and secondly it has to hit AND break. I get through more than 15bps ropes all the time. And also those welts couldve been caused by a mag being sweetspotted right. Or they couldve been caused by an electro in semi auto too. Stop blaming ramping.

[Automaggot68]

And also those welts couldve been caused by a mag being sweetspotted right. Or they couldve been caused by an electro in semi auto too. Stop blaming ramping.

The poster said that the other shooter was shooting legally,in semi.
There were no hard feelings either, they were friends.

Tournament Play, MSPA series. Semi finals, me against 2. I bunker a guy on right tape, their other player is behind the next bunker. As I continue, looks as though he comes to lane, connects with my arm, I begin to walk off the field. He comes out shooting again for the ones in the back. 17 total hits, some are unvisible from the camera angle. No ramping, PSP, NXL, or anything. Hey, if I was in the same place, I might have freaked out like that too. He's a great person and really didn't mean to do it, just heat of the moment. It happens sometimes, just thought I'd share. Thanks for all the comments, you guys really got me laughing a few times. And yes, it's nice and yellow and black now, looks great We chrono after each game in our series, he was not hot all day long, it was just a close shot. Yeah, it sucked, but I had an excellent tournament, and thats all that really matters

[ottomobile]

I love this place. Its so much more friendly than PBN and we get to have to such healthy conversations... I think I feel a group hug coming on!

[Automaggot68]

I love this place. Its so much more friendly than PBN and we get to have to such healthy conversations... I think I feel a group hug coming on!

[yakitori]

Ya automaggot, I wasnt talking about that particular thread, but thanks for clearing that up. I did go read that post. I was responding to PSIs comment on the top of page 2 where he says ALL the random posts of "look at my welts" w/ 10+ a direct result of ramping.

It just seems like AO tends to snap against ramping even when that wasnt the cause of the welts. That many welts could have very easily been done by a semi auto. It just seems like ppl are looking for some reason to blame ramping for someones bodily harm.

[Automaggot68]

Ya automaggot, I wasnt talking about that particular thread, but thanks for clearing that up. I did go read that post. I was responding to PSIs comment on the top of page 2 where he says ALL the random posts of "look at my welts" w/ 10+ a direct result of ramping.

It just seems like AO tends to snap against ramping even when that wasnt the cause of the welts. That many welts could have very easily been done by a semi auto. It just seems like ppl are looking for some reason to blame ramping for someones bodily harm.

Ahh yeah, my bad.
Thought you were refering to that post.
I myself don't see ramping as a problem.
I don't ever use it, but on my predator timmy, it was alot of fun to screw around with in my backyard.
Will I use ramping on my mag?
Naw. I'm fast enough on the trigger.
The best part about these guys posting about ramping,
is that I bet 80% on here rarely if ever play paintball.

[Steelrat]

Zmans video was the example, you see often enough "I just crank up the input pressure and go to town" though on here, or some such, and everyone (ok, not everyone, but you know what I mean) seems to think thats acceptable while at the same time, many of them whine about ramping.

Someone aleady said why that is. Zak (and me, the guy with the 31 bps viking vid) ONLY do that for show and entertainment. Ramping is used during gameplay, and thats what people whine about. Neither Zak nor myself ever dragged our 30+ bps guns out on the field because its not practical, and frankly its stupid.

[ottomobile]

Here's a question nobody has asked. With all this ramping and sweetspoting going on shooting mountains of paint why am I still paying $60 a case?!

[Steelrat]

Here's a question nobody has asked. With all this ramping and sweetspoting going on shooting mountains of paint why am I still paying $60 a case?!

Because people keep paying it.