Why are so many so called "vets" so scared of

[mag_lover05]

personally.... the ION to me...is SP's $300 electronic blade.

i could care less about ROF, i play pump, and ne other pumper out there who has played for a while, laughs when other players spend 1000+ on there new gun and eat a case of paint everytime they play, while i can play for $35 and get my bag o' marbs and entry, and have enough to go to a nice steak dinner afterwards. (who am i kidding, i go to taco bell) sure, people laugh when they see my phantom, but after the game, they want to hold it after sitting in the dead box. When people with ION's , timmies , angels etc. launch 300 balls my way and paint my bunker, then i pop out for half a second and hit them with one 5 cent(or less) ball... it gets to them. and when the day is all said and done, they now respect any gun, no matter how fast or how cool it looks. and it really changes their attitude torwards the game. This is why i play pump, it happened to me, some old guy (like 50) came with a phantom and owned everyone, even me, and it changed how i felt about guns, and the sport in general, not to mention its awsome when the little kids come up and say "wheres your hopper mr.?" or my favorite "wheres your tank mr.?"

sadly i just sold my phantom, but im gettin another one shortly, with some stuff i prefer better.

[AgentSmith]

Tyrion, what I was addressing still looks pretty plain in your post marked yesterday at 9:39 am, perhaps I overreacted or misunderstood but I can do that sometimes, I apologize.
My point about dynasty in my reply, was that a good player who TRIES will become good in any format he works at, that in fact speedball is only different, not harder or magical. That a player that doesn't try his hardest and apply everything he knows to keep from getting shot will lose in woodsball just like speedball. That's why I pointed out the melodramas of your language and assumptions. If the people you saw playing woodsball seemed looser to you then they'll get beat by a tighter group every time. The techniques that you like about speedball SHOULD be applied to woodsball by anyone who cares to actually win and when they are they are every bit as effective. I try my humble best to apply every thing I've learned in ALL my past games, every time I play, with varying success.

I think both of our metaphors may be flawed, that paintball may be like any other martial art, different disciplines, each with people who think their style is the best. In the future I'll just tend to my own knitting the next time I see this kind of thing(from post #1 of this thread):

"Granted the majority of the haters are mostly young people, but why would so many people be afraid of a little competition. It is easier to compete now, in terms of fire power. Has the drive to win on the rec level become so ridiculous that these so called "vets" bash on newer players with little skill, just to stroke their own ego?"

Rob


EDIT: The fact that I will avoid these threads in the future does not mean I am abandoning this one, In fact to answer Tyrion's question and statement: "And who's "stroking their ego" here? I never railed on woodsball players." I can only offer Tyrion's other statements: "In no way is speedball "easier" than woodsball. In fact, the opposite could be argued. " and "There's no brush or leaf piles to stop paintballs from hitting you if you're playing too loosely, and there's no time to retreat if the other team overtakes you"
I'm sorry that still sounds pretty condescending, I'm not allowed to make assumptions about you based on what you write, but you know where my leaf piles are.

[mullannix930]

Mag lover05 I am with you on the use of a pump. I still use my old Razorback on a regular basis and I do just as well with it as I do with any other marker I use. The real difference is that I have a faster second shot if I need it with a semi or an electro. I grew up with the pump and single shot type set up and I still use the same tactics. I think if others did the same they would find a love for the game that I feel can only be found with the pump markers.

As to the ROF issue... I only want the higher rate in things like speedball and hyperball, I think woodsball is better when you make every shot count.

[AgentSmith]

I think I may have figured out a clearer way to express what I want to say.

The assumption by many is that speedball is 'harder', more technical and less forgiving than woodsball.

This means that if we play five guys in speedball, it would be harder to defeat them than if we were playing the same five guys in woodsball.

But that also means that woodsball would be HARDER for them since it would be EASIER for them to defeat us in speedball.

How can speedball be easier for them and harder for us?
How can woodsball be harder for them and easier for us?

The question is not whether you're playing speedball or woodsball, it's ONLY about how good the players you face are, if they're good-it's difficult, if they're bad-it's easy, because you're both on the same playing field, under the same rules and on the same terrain(for that game).


Now if I've played a particular field layout 100 times and someone else has never played it, I can get a raging ego to explain why I roll people up, but the real fact is that speedball(however much this hurts) is still just paintball.

Rob

[Baby Huey]

I believe in a free America and equal rights to woodsballers and speedballers (of which I am both). I declare this day that I will treat both fairly, my shockers will send 20BPS at both speedballers and woodsballers alike. God Bless America.

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edit-oh, and for the record I don't think anybody is scared of anybody else.

[AgentSmith]

And Baby Huey I promise that, whichever I happen to be at the moment you see me, I will do my best to stay out of the way until my paint has a chance to arrive at your location. :)
Rob
Edit: it took me a minute to realize that was a stop action movie you had there, Baby Huey, that's hilarious!

[Baby Huey]

Thanks. Have a great day and if you get to play this weekend have a great weekend ballin.

[nastymag]

i have been playing for almost 8 years now ( i am only 20)

and honestly ....

the players i am really scared of ...Newbies with tippmans.
now i know that i am about to be bashed by all the tippmans lovers out there, honestly almost half of all c02 powered tippmans i chrono are hot, every game.

The newbies have a tendency of shooting wildly into the ref, with a hot gun...scary.

kids with Ion's, cannon fodder for the more experienced players.
they want to play at 17 bps, so i put them in the advanced group, they die quick.
better then them shooting rentals at that rate.

[VFX_Fenix]

The assumption by many is that speedball is 'harder', more technical and less forgiving than woodsball.

Faster, yes, harder, yes only in that things occur faster.

This means that if we play five guys in speedball, it would be harder to defeat them than if we were playing the same five guys in woodsball.

It depends on what format the two teams of five are accustomed to playing. If both teams come from different playing styles (Speed vs. Woods) then the team on the familiar field will have the advantage (not necesarily that either team has played on said field before).

But that also means that woodsball would be HARDER for them since it would be EASIER for them to defeat us in speedball.

Exactly

How can speedball be easier for them and harder for us?
How can woodsball be harder for them and easier for us?

The question is not whether you're playing speedball or woodsball, it's ONLY about how good the players you face are, if they're good-it's difficult, if they're bad-it's easy, because you're both on the same playing field, under the same rules and on the same terrain(for that game).

True, to a point. Again, Woodsball and Speedball have similar skill sets, however how they are applied is inherently different and some skills from one format do not work in another. The case that's already been mentioned has been working bunkers, since working an inflatable is far different than working a tree/log/bush/pallet/pipe/etc and laning which you mentioned. When teams of greatly dissparaging skill levels play, the "better" team will usually win. The same thing is true if you put, say, Dynasty on an Airball field with Stock class Phantoms and set them up against players who are of moderate exerpience (Novices you could say) and Dynasty would most likely win despite being out of their element (Playing stock class). Take Dynasty to a woodsball field, put them in with a Woodsball team which is of the same skill level and Dynasty would very likely lose. Reverse roles, and suddenly Dynasty is walking all over the Woodsball team.


And if Skiing isn't your thing, how about Sprint Car driver Vs. Stock Car driver (assuming that neither has any experience with their challenger's style). Again, I contest that whomever is out of their element will be the loser.

Here's the problem, you have Apples over in one hand and Oranges in another. Sure they're both kinds of fruit, but you couldn't say they're the same thing. You wouldn't skin an apple with an orange peeler and you wouldn't slice an orange with an apple corer (you know, those things that section apples into like 8 pieces and core out the core in one shot). While this example is drastically simplified, it is at the very heart of the argument.

Now if I've played a particular field layout 100 times and someone else has never played it, I can get a raging ego to explain why I roll people up, but the real fact is that speedball(however much this hurts) is still just paintball.

Rob

And Apples are still fruit

[CoolHand]

And if Skiing isn't your thing, how about Sprint Car driver Vs. Stock Car driver (assuming that neither has any experience with their challenger's style). Again, I contest that whomever is out of their element will be the loser.

It's been my experience that anyone who's driven primarily on dirt will have an inherent advantage over someone who has only driven on pavement when it comes to car control (unless the guy is a pavement only sprint car driver, in which case, all bets are off).

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion, I'm just breaking your balls.

[VFX_Fenix]

It's been my experience that anyone who's driven primarily on dirt will have an inherent advantage over someone who has only driven on pavement when it comes to car control (unless the guy is a pavement only sprint car driver, in which case, all bets are off).

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion, I'm just breaking your balls.

Lol, okay, I fail...

[Stealth Fighter]

I don't know why Vet's are so scared of noobs with high end guns, but I'm not, I enjoy averaging 5 bps when neccessary and still owning a noob shooting 14-15 bps a second. Sometimes I challenge myself to make it just one shot. I made a one shot one kill off of a kid with an electro cocker, I was like , "WOOHOO how you like them apples"

[RRfireblade]

Who says we're scared?

I eat 'em for lunch every weekend....little honey mustard or BBQ sauce and the go right down.

[RRfireblade]

Oh...I was gonna say.

If "Vets" have a hatred against anything it's any form of full auto fire.

Wouldn't you have a 'hatred' against someone dramatically changing the sport you grow up with by taking away a part of the game that used to be considered a skill?

[VFX_Fenix]

^^ I like that one ^^