Why are so many so called "vets" so scared of

[AgentSmith]

Okay,
I'll try again, this time with ski racing.

Ski racing against Bode Miller is hard.

Ski racing against AgentSmith is easy.

If you instead, race against yourself, try to surpass YOUR personal best, try to improve your technical skills EVERY time you strap on skis for ANY reason(whether it's a race or a pleasant slide down the black Diamond), then it doesn't matter whether you're racing against Bode Miller or AgentSmith, every race is challenging, every race is a little harder than the last as you strive to get better.

If you just judge yourself against your opponents, the most you'll end up is a tiny little bit better than the people you play.

If you play all types of paintball with the ethic that you will improve yourself every game, you'll end up as good as you could possibly get,

If you play only one type of paintball with this self-scrutiny and self-motivation, you could still theoretically get beat by what the videogame calls a full-spectrum warrior(which I certainly do not claim to be), a person who has maximized his skills in every possible format, who learned some oddball trick that you missed.


I won't bow down to letting other people control my self-esteem, I will judge my performance by a constantly increasing difficulty. If I hang out an elbow and get a bounce(there's a pic on my field's forum of me doing this very thing), it's not 'okay because I'm playing woodsball', it's a screwup and I judge myself accordingly and work not to make the same mistake again! It just sounds to me like alot of people give themselves a free pass to play sloppy, Lame-o ball in the woods, because none of their tourney friends can see and ego is all it's about, so if noone's watching you don't have to try hard. I'm trying hard to think of another explanation for why people wouldn't play as hard in the woods as they do on a tourney field and that's all I can come up with.

Rob

[RRfireblade]

...... I'm trying hard to think of another explanation for why people wouldn't play as hard in the woods as they do on a tourney field and that's all I can come up with.

Rob

I'm not going back to read all the nonsense that went on in the middle of this thread but....


What are you talking about?

Why do you assume that us speedballer play loose and sloppy in the woods? Or play in any other way than with the full intent of winning?

The only angle there I can possibly see is that with woods ball being so much slower and typically more spread out, you can get away with much sloppier play but that doesn't mean that one isn't still focussing on what it takes to win the game based on the circumstances of the particular style of play. In fact , I typical use a stock class pump during woods ball just to bring the 'challange' back up to my level.

[CoolHand]

I'm not going back to read all the nonsense that went on in the middle of this thread but....


What are you talking about?

Why do you assume that us speedballer play loose and sloppy in the woods? Or play in any other way than with the full intent of winning?

The only angle there I can possibly see is that with woods ball being so much slower and typically more spread out, you can get away with much sloppier play but that doesn't mean that one isn't still focussing on what it takes to win the game based on the circumstances of the particular style of play. In fact , I typical use a stock class pump during woods ball just to bring the 'challange' back up to my level.

You shoulda read the "crap in the middle" Jay, he's not even talking to you. lol

Him and and another guy have been going back and forth with this sort of thing for about a dozen posts now.

He says play hard no matter what, the other guy comes back and says well, even trying hard, woodsballers will still not be as good as speedballers.

Its the same stupid argument that's been circulating since that guy stacked up all those hay bails in a circle.

Guys, you cannot win this argument. You're not even arguing about anything anymore, you're ego stroking and hinting at how good you perceive each other to be.

Let it go. The vets aren't scared, we're all just tired of seeing this argument over and over and over again.

The horse is dead, stop beating it and help us get it ground up. We can't barbecue until the horse-burgers are made . . . . . . .

[Stealth Fighter]

You shoulda read the "crap in the middle" Jay, he's not even talking to you. lol

Him and and another guy have been going back and forth with this sort of thing for about a dozen posts now.

He says play hard no matter what, the other guy comes back and says well, even trying hard, woodsballers will still not be as good as speedballers.

Its the same stupid argument that's been circulating since that guy stacked up all those hay bails in a circle.

Guys, you cannot win this argument. You're not even arguing about anything anymore, you're ego stroking and hinting at how good you perceive each other to be.

Let it go. The vets aren't scared, we're all just tired of seeing this argument over and over and over again.

The horse is dead, stop beating it and help us get it ground up. We can't barbecue until the horse-burgers are made . . . . . . .

Thats horse hockey the woodsball speedball thing.

I play and generally do a pretty good job in speedball, but put me out on a woodsball course with a bunch of guys who have played the same amount on that woodsball course as I have on my speedball course and I'll have my work cut out for me.

[Ken Majors]

I play mostly woodsball and scenerio. I have played a fair amount of speedball.
I am also a dinosaur in the sport, 40 years old, been playing since the days of slingshots and shop goggles.
Own a bunch of markers, EMag, RT-pro, Tippmann A-5, SL68II, Ariakon, Spyder, and yes...an Ion.
I enjoy shooting the Ion..it is light, tight, and it can rip pretty good.
I am certainly not afraid of it. But I respect any player with any marker who knows what they are doing and can "walk the walk".
I personally find speedball physically easier than scenerio/woodsball. Although the pace is much faster, the walk to the dead box is shorter, and the waits between games are much shorter (usually). At the end of a day of speedball I am tired, painted up, and feeling pretty good. At the end of a scenerio, I am beat down, hot, tired, and exhausted. I like the scenerio/woodsball best. Not as many whiners in woodsball (in my experience), and I have never felt like choking anyone while playing woodsball.

On a side note: The Ion has allowed people who would not ordinarily have the cash to own a nice electro-pnuematic speedball gun the opportunity to do so. I say that is a good thing.
I still love my E-Mag though.

[hitech]

I play mostly woodsball and scenerio. I have played a fair amount of speedball.
I am also a dinosaur in the sport, 40 years old, been playing since the days of slingshots and shop goggles.

[Ken Majors]

I guess that makes you a fossil.
I agree with that "firefight" analogy. And it is the best part of the game...but in woodsball, the setup to the firefight is just as important as the fight itself.

[psychowarden]

By no means to I consider myself a "veteran" simply because I have been playing for only 3-4 years. But I consider myself having the mindset of a veteran. I hate ramping, I hate overshooting, and frankly, I hate the little punks that think they are sooo bad because they have a markere that can shoot 15+ bps. Yeah, well good for them, but they can have a great gun, but they still have a crappy game. I cant tell you how many of these little punks I have taken out with my Phantom. It gives them a nice reality check. You dont win by sheer firepower, but by logic and thinking. Some of these kids didnt even know where I was most the time, and this was on your everyday sup-air ball field mind you. Im a pretty big guy, and they still didnt even think of looking to the snake for me, but once they hear the *pop* they take a look over, and by then its too late, they have a nice green spot on them somewhere.

So, in conclusion, I believe that paintball has reached it prime, actually I think it got there a few years ago, at the moment, its standing on the edge of a platue, and its about to take a nice fall down, because the kids dont have much respect for the game anymore. Alot of the field workers and older players understand this, and in return, have little respect for the kids. There are the exceptions, like myself, and many others, that have much respect for the game, and see it as just that, a game, and not a means to hurt someone with a flying pojectile, we are there to play, and thats the way it should be, but I think that soon, it wont be.