Airball Sucks

[hitech]

I think you are right...

The only problem with that is that the discussion ends...

[warbeak2099]

Ah, but movement isn't the only thing. Other strategy that speedball requires is knowing where to shoot and how to communicate. Teams practice over and over with drills that hone their shooting and communication skills. They come up with symbolic language, they practice different situations and what do do in them, etc. The fact is that there is a huge amount of strategy in speedball. It's just different than woodsball strategy. If nothing else, speedball is harder because of the cramped conditions. This is exactly what gives you that adrenaline rush though. You're on the opposite side of a bunker from the opposing team, paint is flying all around you, you have to make a move and think quick before the other guy gets a one up on you. It's called quick decision making skills.

Once again, ghost flanker's original argument makes absolutely no sense. He is trying to say that there is no strategy or skill in speedball and that it's totally dependant on who has the most expensive gun. It's total bullcrap and that's why he got flamed. Watch, I just proved him wrong again, but his counter-argument will be that I'm a big meany and I'm just out to get him.

[onedude36]

or what...you'll take your thread and go home?

how did mango say it...kthxbye

<3 Mango

[ghost flanker]

Oh stop with this pretending to be simply posting your own, objective opinion. You made a ridiculous statement that is just plain wrong. You acted like a raving idiot when you said it too. Of course you're gonna get flamed. I hate people who think everyone's opinion should be respected no matter how it's presented. You presented your opinion in a totally ignorant way. After you had been disproved time and again, you refused to admit it and kept on acting like a hysterical lunatic. That's why a lot of us got upset and started flaming you. You make stupid statements and you don't back them up with facts. There are so many examples of tactics in speedball, yet you dismiss all of them. You're wrong, so what do you do? You deny it and make the excuse that you're entitled to your own opinion. Well, speedball lacking strategy is not an opinion, it's a fallacy. Your love of ignorance is what's getting you flamed. If you had presented a lucid, well thought out argument about how to improve speedball, then you would deserve to have your opinion listened to. As it stands, you don't. Please try to read and comprehend all of this before you make yet another "arm flailing", raving lunatic post.

Hey Warbeak... why don't you back the hell off. You're telling me that I'm acting like a hysterical lunatic? Hahaha!! Look at you! Look at what you have written... "I hate people who think everyone's opinion should be respected." What's your problem? Are you on any kind of medication?

The reality of this situation is that I said something that obviously pissed you off... and you're still pissed off even after I took it back and apologized. If you don't think my opinion is worth listening to, then don't listen... or respond in a not so pscyho manner. You're taking this WAY too seriously... this is just a "paintball talk" post.

And by the way, many of the arguments against mine posted here regarding the presence of strategy in airball, like laning, apply only when an team of players is cooperating and working together. Airball is definitely about cooperation. A team that works like a well oiled machine is definitely a force to be reckoned with, and will absolutely kill any opposing team that does not work together. But not everyone has access to their very own airball team. I don't compete in tournaments. I'm not "sponsered." I'm not gonna pretend I'm hardcore. Hell, it's not even necessarily all about winning for me. It's about having a good time among friends. It's just a game!

To add to that, some arguments made against me were contradicting each other. Some guys were saying that airball is not about throwing buckets of paint while others were saying that you have to throw buckets of paint as part of employing strategy. Both had valid points to their arguments, as did you in one of your postings, but understand I was being told 2 completely different things, so which is it?

I'm not being unreasonable here. Saying airball sucked and involved no strategy was an ignorant thing of me to say and I shouldn't have been so blunt about it, so just leave it at that and stop beating a dead horse. And Warbeak, learn to live with the fact that other people are going to have different opinions from your own. Not everyone is going to think exactly the way you think or believe exactly what you believe. Some people love airball and others just think that airball fields are simply too small for their own tastes and that the bunkers look like Godzilla punching bags (as someone else here put it). Deal with it and stop acting like a bully. Take your mind off the subject and stop being so pissed off... Go play some paintball. Hang out with friends. Read a book. Get laid. Do something!

[etjoyride]

But not everyone has access to their very own airball team. I don't compete in tournaments. I'm not "sponsered." I'm not gonna pretend I'm hardcore. It's about having a good time among friends. It's just a game!

I do not play in tournaments(yet), i am not sponsored, i do not pretend to be hardcore. However, I play consistently with a group of guys in both woodsball and speedball and we usually fare quite well. As you said this sport is about having good times among friends which is what we do. As long as we have played together(not necessarily a team though) we, and anyone othe group, should be able to do quite well.

[SCpoloRicker]

Hey Warbeak... why don't you back the hell off. You're telling me that I'm acting like a hysterical lunatic? Hahaha!! Look at you! Look at what you have written... "I hate people who think everyone's opinion should be respected." What's your problem? Are you on any kind of medication?

The reality of this situation is that I said something that obviously pissed you off... and you're still pissed off even after I took it back and apologized. If you don't think my opinion is worth listening to, then don't listen... or respond in a not so pscyho manner. You're taking this WAY too seriously... this is just a "paintball talk" post.

And by the way, many of the arguments against mine posted here regarding the presence of strategy in airball, like laning, apply only when an team of players is cooperating and working together. Airball is definitely about cooperation. A team that works like a well oiled machine is definitely a force to be reckoned with, and will absolutely kill any opposing team that does not work together. But not everyone has access to their very own airball team. I don't compete in tournaments. I'm not "sponsered." I'm not gonna pretend I'm hardcore. Hell, it's not even necessarily all about winning for me. It's about having a good time among friends. It's just a game!

To add to that, some arguments made against me were contradicting each other. Some guys were saying that airball is not about throwing buckets of paint while others were saying that you have to throw buckets of paint as part of employing strategy. Both had valid points to their arguments, as did you in one of your postings, but understand I was being told 2 completely different things, so which is it?

I'm not being unreasonable here. Saying airball sucked and involved no strategy was an ignorant thing of me to say and I shouldn't have been so blunt about it, so just leave it at that and stop beating a dead horse. And Warbeak, learn to live with the fact that other people are going to have different opinions from your own. Not everyone is going to think exactly the way you think or believe exactly what you believe. Some people love airball and others just think that airball fields are simply too small for their own tastes and that the bunkers look like Godzilla punching bags (as someone else here put it). Deal with it and stop acting like a bully. Take your mind off the subject and stop being so pissed off... Go play some paintball. Hang out with friends. Read a book. Get laid. Do something!

[warbeak2099]

Hey Warbeak... why don't you back the hell off. You're telling me that I'm acting like a hysterical lunatic? Hahaha!! Look at you! Look at what you have written... "I hate people who think everyone's opinion should be respected." What's your problem? Are you on any kind of medication?

The reality of this situation is that I said something that obviously pissed you off... and you're still pissed off even after I took it back and apologized. If you don't think my opinion is worth listening to, then don't listen... or respond in a not so pscyho manner. You're taking this WAY too seriously... this is just a "paintball talk" post.

And by the way, many of the arguments against mine posted here regarding the presence of strategy in airball, like laning, apply only when an team of players is cooperating and working together. Airball is definitely about cooperation. A team that works like a well oiled machine is definitely a force to be reckoned with, and will absolutely kill any opposing team that does not work together. But not everyone has access to their very own airball team. I don't compete in tournaments. I'm not "sponsered." I'm not gonna pretend I'm hardcore. Hell, it's not even necessarily all about winning for me. It's about having a good time among friends. It's just a game!

To add to that, some arguments made against me were contradicting each other. Some guys were saying that airball is not about throwing buckets of paint while others were saying that you have to throw buckets of paint as part of employing strategy. Both had valid points to their arguments, as did you in one of your postings, but understand I was being told 2 completely different things, so which is it?

I'm not being unreasonable here. Saying airball sucked and involved no strategy was an ignorant thing of me to say and I shouldn't have been so blunt about it, so just leave it at that and stop beating a dead horse. And Warbeak, learn to live with the fact that other people are going to have different opinions from your own. Not everyone is going to think exactly the way you think or believe exactly what you believe. Some people love airball and others just think that airball fields are simply too small for their own tastes and that the bunkers look like Godzilla punching bags (as someone else here put it). Deal with it and stop acting like a bully. Take your mind off the subject and stop being so pissed off... Go play some paintball. Hang out with friends. Read a book. Get laid. Do something!

Thanks for retracting your original, moronic statement. Oh, and what'd I say about the meany thing, I was right he did it! I'm the big bad bully lol. Raaaar watch out AO, I'll bully anyone with a different opinion! That's me!

Seriously though, it's not that you had a different opinion, it's that you presented a fallacy and tried to call it an opinion. There's a big difference. Also, airball fields differ in size. Some are huge and others are tiny. So your generalized statement that airball is too small scale for your tastes is still unfounded. Now, I am not one to say that speedball is the end all be all. I play both woods and speedball. You were just ranting like an idiot so I flamed you. It happens to everyone. That way, you learn not to make those kinds of posts in the future. So just to clarify, I'm not attacking your right to dislike speedball. I'm saying that you have no right to back up your opinion with untruths. That's fine with me if you don't like a certain type of paintball. Just don't go making useless threads about it without having anything resembling a point.

Have a nice day buddy.

[tyrion2323]

To Ghost Flanker,

Here's an analogy that I like to use when describing the difference between speedball and woodsball. (I've gotten flak for it, but I think it's sound).

Speedball is a derivation of paintball, just as alpine racing is a derivation of skiing. Consider Speedball the skiing equivalent of alpine racing, while woodsball is the equivalent of freeskiing. Racing and freeskiing involve the same set of skills, just as speedball and woodsball involve the same set of rules. In paintball, you have to hone your accuracy, movement, coordination, tactics, gun speed, field awareness, opportunity exploitation, etc.

Think of speedball as sort of a stripped-down, barebones version of paintball. It's requires all of the skills and talent of scenario and woodsballers, but is basically force-fed into a smaller version. I'm talking about competition level paintball, not just walk-on speedball. (even I don't like that!) In these games, you utilize the same skills, but they are just more condensed. The field is smaller, the games are shorter, you need to play tighter, faster, and more efficiently. It's as if the entire technical game of paintball has been squeezed into a bottle, and all of the extras were siphoned out. It's like skiing. In the racecourse, you need all of the skills of freeskiing, but they have to be even more honed and technical, because there's little to no room for error without sacrificing your chances for gold.

As for your original and subsequent comments, you do need to realize that coming onto a paintball forum and insulting paintball is a pretty stupid approach. Your comments were just asking to be ripped apart, and I think you knew that. It wasn't simply stating an opinion, since opinions have to be based at least a little on fact. Initial impressions don't count as valid opinions, at least not in my book.

It's true that you're being insulted by a lot of people, and I'll admit - it's not a tactic I would use; however, you're wrong when you say that you haven't insulted anyone. Simply by stating that airball sucks and takes no talent, you're insulting every single airball fan here. You then generalize by talking about all the little kiddies with their daddy's credit cards. Unless you can back that up, you'd better watch it. Lots of us have very nice gear, and we work very hard. I'm a 22 year old student, and I work my tuchus off in order to afford airball. And even if a young kid does get his paintball equipment as a present, what's wrong with that? How can you expect a 14 year old to afford paintball equipment? even with only mid-priced gear, you're talking 800 to a grand. Add to the combination that kids usually want to fit in and have cool gear, and that's probably the reason behind lots of kids having 'agg' gear and stuff.

There's a lesson to be learned here. Several, actually. The first is that when you want to denegrate someone's hobby or sport, keep your mouth shut. I don't diss on golf and football, and I don't expect people to diss on skiing and paintball. Secondly, back up your opinions with fact. Without fact, you just looks like a jerk.

[ghost flanker]

I do not play in tournaments(yet), i am not sponsored, i do not pretend to be hardcore. However, I play consistently with a group of guys in both woodsball and speedball and we usually fare quite well. As you said this sport is about having good times among friends which is what we do. As long as we have played together(not necessarily a team though) we, and anyone othe group, should be able to do quite well.

I'm not saying people who play in teams don't have fun, just that some people don't have the means to form a regular team. Between attending college and work, I'm just a recballer and I play when I can...

[hitech]

Has AO lost the ability to have a reasonable debate...

[warbeak2099]

So then those who do have the means should feel bad or not do it? What are you getting at? I guess I just don't understand the point you're still trying to make.

[ghost flanker]

Thanks for retracting your original, moronic statement. Oh, and what'd I say about the meany thing, I was right he did it! I'm the big bad bully lol. Raaaar watch out AO, I'll bully anyone with a different opinion! That's me!

Seriously though, it's not that you had a different opinion, it's that you presented a fallacy and tried to call it an opinion. There's a big difference. Also, airball fields differ in size. Some are huge and others are tiny. So your generalized statement that airball is too small scale for your tastes is still unfounded. Now, I am not one to say that speedball is the end all be all. I play both woods and speedball. You were just ranting like an idiot so I flamed you. It happens to everyone. That way, you learn not to make those kinds of posts in the future. So just to clarify, I'm not attacking your right to dislike speedball. I'm saying that you have no right to back up your opinion with untruths. That's fine with me if you don't like a certain type of paintball. Just don't go making useless threads about it without having anything resembling a point.

Have a nice day buddy.

I've never seen a huge airball field.

[Cow hunter]

I've never seen a huge airball field.

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look at number 5

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look at "lightning rod" and "nowhere to run"

[ghost flanker]

So then those who do have the means should feel bad or not do it? What are you getting at? I guess I just don't understand the point you're still trying to make.

What? No. I'm saying that airball tactics involve cooperative strategy. I've been told I suck because don't have a team to use those tactics. Whenever I play at a pay to play field, I'm usually just a walk on.

[REDRT]

the sheer frustration that people who use daddy's credit card to spend more money on more paint have a clear advantage over my poverty stricken ***, particularly in airball.

Well that about says it all. It isn't the game at all. It is the Johny come latelys and their expense accounts that has you in a tizzy.


Cry me a river! Adapt and over come. It doesn't take the platinum card to win the game.