Airball Sucks

[JOESPUD27]

Airball does not suck. Try playing a game of pump only airball (meaning EVERYONE uses a pump). It will be the most fun you have ever had playing paintball.

Wow, thats surprisingly intelligent sounding from a silly Red Sox fan

He is right though, about the pumps, not his baseball team of choice....

Jay

/I'm a bitter Cards fan OK?

[hitech]

have you looked?

http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/fps/

look at number 5

http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/music/

look at "lightning rod" and "nowhere to run"

I can't watch those videos now, but I'd bet we have a different idea of huge.

[SCpoloRicker]

Has AO lost the ability to have a reasonable debate...

Oh come now; Sam and the MAholes have not only not been at each others throats, they've even agreed on things!

[REDRT]

Has AO lost the ability to have a reasonable debate...

Give us something reasonable to debate. Everything has been said so many times and so many ways to the point of being pointless.

[etjoyride]

How can you expect a 14 year old to afford paintball equipment? even with only mid-priced gear, you're talking 800 to a grand. Add to the combination that kids usually want to fit in and have cool gear, and that's probably the reason behind lots of kids having 'agg' gear and stuff.

Hey, i'm 15 (and was 14 until 3 months ago but lets not get to technical) Anyways, I have well over 800 invested in paintball gear, and no more than 100 has come from my parents...I simply find odd jobs, save, spend, trade smartly, and start the cycle over again. Just because a young person has nice gear doesn't mean their parents buy it all for them(although granted this isn't uncommon). Next time you see some kid with nice gear don't take it for granted that they didn't buy it themselves though.

[SpitFire1299]

Airball does indeed suck. Rather than employing actual strategy to outwit your opponent and conquer ground, it's all about who can afford to throw the most paint with the most expensive marker... and each string of paint is responded to by another equally impressive but ultimately pointless string of paint.

Now watch them all cry Blasphemy!

Am I the only one that feels this way? Where's all the recballers and woodsballers in the LA area? Is there anyone out here who isn't a total speedball freak and would like to play some good ol fashioned outlaw paintball?

Edit: Airball does not suck and I was wrong to say it does. It does involve strategy and skill in order for anyone to really be any good at it, just like any other form of paintball, or any sport for that matter. When I originally posted this, I was mainly annoyed at the fact that not more people seem to be into recball or woodsball in my area. It was not my intention to start a flame fest and I apologize if I have offended anyone.

The best gun doesnt make the best player. Of course it helps, but ive seen some girl with a maruader dominate some players.

[hitech]

Give us something reasonable to debate. Everything has been said so many times and so many ways to the point of being pointless.

How about... Speedball emphasizes shooting and de-emphasizes movement. The ratio of the importance of shooting to movement in the average woodsball game is about even. Speedball is the "firefight" distilled out of the woodsball game...

[warbeak2099]

I just can't see how movement isn't a huge factor in speedball play. Even on the smaller fields I've played on, being able to move to a key bunker has always been important. It decides whether or not you are going to be able to get an angle on your opponents. Maybe it's smaller scale moving, ie. not hiking around, but it's still movement and it's still important. Saying that being able to move well in speedball isn't important, just doesn't make any sense.

[Lohman446]

How about... Speedball emphasizes shooting and de-emphasizes movement. The ratio of the importance of shooting to movement in the average woodsball game is about even. Speedball is the "firefight" distilled out of the woodsball game...

To some degree. Speedball does not have the tactical set up of a woodsball game. In that the starting bunkers are pretty much the starting bunkers. Movement is required (well not, but important) to winning, very few teams who stay in there starting bunkers without movement win.

I'm seeing to some degree... I mean in speedball very seldom does a considered flank ever happen - the closest you have is a run through. I don't like the wording that there is not an emphasis on movement, movement is highly important, though it is often movement under fire compared to a careful considered flanking movement or ambush...

[Automaggot68]

<3 Mango

Mango Left before you were even registered here.




like someone else earlier,
If you think Airball sucks, then it sucks.
If you think recball sucks, then it sucks.

[tyrion2323]

Hey, i'm 15 (and was 14 until 3 months ago but lets not get to technical) Anyways, I have well over 800 invested in paintball gear, and no more than 100 has come from my parents...I simply find odd jobs, save, spend, trade smartly, and start the cycle over again. Just because a young person has nice gear doesn't mean their parents buy it all for them(although granted this isn't uncommon). Next time you see some kid with nice gear don't take it for granted that they didn't buy it themselves though.

Hey yourself. Notice that in no way did I say what you're claiming I said. I'm saying that it's not inherently bad for parents to help their children out with sports gear. Listen, i know what it's like to have to buy my own paintball gear - i've been doing it for ten years. Reread my original statement, and then rethink yours.

[tyrion2323]

How about... Speedball emphasizes shooting and de-emphasizes movement. The ratio of the importance of shooting to movement in the average woodsball game is about even. Speedball is the "firefight" distilled out of the woodsball game...

I would disagree. (about the movement, not about the firefight being distilled - that's correct) Movement, in a sense, is the winner or loser of games. But movement for movement's sake is not prized in speedball. smart movement, strategic movement - these are important. If you're going to measure movement in terms of square footage covered, then of course woodsball is going to win out. But if you're going to measure movement in terms of strategic gain and game winning, then both versions emphasize it the same amount.

edit: the key is to stop thinking of movement as the actual physical walking of the legs, and to start thinking of movement more along the lines of strategic placement. Sometimes, the smartest 'move' is to hold a bunker, and sometimes it's to move to the snake, or something along those lines. it's the same in woodsball. setting up a sniper or an ambush require, in fact, lots of non-movement. if you just kept moving when trying to lure the other team into a trap, you'd be given away. movement, in my book, should be rated on how well it puts your team in a strategic position for winning.

[Aslan]

accuracy points

i know!!!...how about adding an accuracy point system to speedball. You count the balls going in, how many balls come off the feild, and how many players get hit. haha.....i think the overall shots accuracy would be less than 1%.


I don't think too many changes can be done to speedball, although personally I would like to see it all mech. But than the other players REALLY wouldn't have a chance against my mag.

Accuracy point system...AWESOME!! I love that idea. It won't go over with the kids...because they ulitimately want a marker that can shoot 100bps. And it won't go over with the fields...they make their money off those empty cases laying around after speedball practices. But wow is that a good idea!!

I had a similar thought earlier today when someone was bragging about how many kills they get. They were saying that they play aggressively and like to take chances...but it gets them like 10 kills a game (woodsball).

Now, first of all...kill totals and bps are usually directly related to fisherman stories in that they often are lies or overexaggerations. But even if he wasn't telling tall tales...the one important question I would have is...how many times did you survive the game? Most of these type players do get a fair amount of kills...but they usually don't survive till the end because they put themselves in harms way unnecessarily.

[tyrion2323]

Accuracy point system...AWESOME!!

i'm continually perplexed by the ideas that linger around these boards, and how otherwise rational people can subscribe to them. I only hope that you're joking. An accuracy point system? How would you even apply that? Is that to say that the backplayers, whose jobs include increased firepower for suppression and laning in order to decrease movement - should they be penalized because they are able to perform their jobs well?

You say that the reasons holding us back are that kids want to shoot fast guns, and that fields survive on paint sales. Well, you're partially right. Fields do survive on paint sales. Is that such a bad thing? Without fields, where could we play paintball? Where could we have well-groomed fields, referees, chronograph gear and tournaments? I'm sorry, but the idea of playing rebel-ball in the woods doesn't appeal to me.

Accuracy is only a part of the game, and especially with paintballs, accuracy doesn't always mean what people think it means.

[hitech]

I'm not saying that there is no movement in speedball. However, there is less of an emphasis on it. In a single game very few players make more than a couple moves. There are FAR fewer places to move to... Speedball is "all" about shooting. If you shoot very well you do fine in speedball even if you "move" very poorly. The reverse is not true.