Paintball and Economic Terrorism

[Automagsam]

You guys are dodging the question, please clarify this, and don't give me a cheap out answer, tell me what this means.

There is a ton going on in the industry right now with the whole NPS/PMI consolidation and yet another new round of lawsuits. My take on that is that its not worth any companies time to develop new products, its better to go sue someone for the money the old products are generating.

Especially this

yet another new round of lawsuits. My take on that is that its not worth any companies time to develop new products, its better to go sue someone for the money the old products are generating.

Until you touch on that, this conversation cannot continue.

[Lohman446]

You guys are dodging the question, please clarify this, and don't give me a cheap out answer, tell me what this means.



Especially this

Until you touch on that, this conversation cannot continue.

I have no clue what suits he is referring to. Perhaps you should ask the person who said it. And as to the idea that the conversation cannot continue? Don't be that conceited, as RRFireblade pointed out there has been new things made available to the paintball marker since those comments were made. Just because the risk/reward analysis does not fit TK does not mean it does not fit others out there.

[Automagsam]

I have no clue what suits he is referring to. Perhaps you should ask the person who said it. And as to the idea that the conversation cannot continue? Don't be that conceited, as RRFireblade pointed out there has been new things made available to the paintball marker since those comments were made. Just because the risk/reward analysis does not fit TK does not mean it does not fit others out there.

Ok once again another out....then what about this

My take on that is that its not worth any companies time to develop new products, its better to go sue someone for the money the old products are generating.

Why do you think Tom is saying this.
Oh and these comments by Tom, only made a week or two ago.

[Lohman446]

Ok once again another out....then what about this
Why do you think Tom is saying this.
Oh and these comments by Tom, only made a week or two ago.

Lets see, because the risk to reward ratio in the paintball market does not fit his personal goals at this time? I answered that. Tom is a smart guy, honest, fair, and intelligent. That being said, just because the paintball market does not suit him anymore does not mean its inherently evil. He is not the end all be all.

Show me the lawsuits. NPS sueing Draxxus over the Pulse? Considering it sounds like they are reaching a settlement I would say it was probably legitimate enough.

[Automagsam]

Lets see, because the risk to reward ratio in the paintball market does not fit his personal goals at this time? I answered that. Tom is a smart guy, honest, fair, and intelligent. That being said, just because the paintball market does not suit him anymore does not mean its inherently evil. He is not the end all be all.

Show me the lawsuits. NPS sueing Draxxus over the Pulse? Considering it sounds like they are reaching a settlement I would say it was probably legitimate enough.

No no, I'm talking about Tom refering to how AGD is not putting out a new marker or anything, because of the lawsuits, he outright says and I quote

My take on that is that its not worth any companies time to develop new products, its better to go sue someone for the money the old products are generating.

You are avoiding that comment. He doesnt say that cause he has other interests right now, and I'm not denying that he does have other interests. I think Tom is brilliant, but you are ignoring what he said about the industry.

[RRfireblade]

Tom been making that same statement for the last 1-2 years.

There are always some suit going on , and big changes going on in the industry. Been that way for 20 years now. It NEVER been a stable business , not now , not then , not ever.

This business changes faster than PC technology and has as more basis in Hype and Perception then maybe any other industry in the world. It's economy is based largely on the whims and attutudes of 12-16 year old children. How stable are thier thoughts ever going to be?

Maybe that explains some of it for you.

I can't nor would I ever , with all due respect to Tom (and I do respect him greatly) put stock in his business choices in the last few years. He made the choice long ago that he would prefer to stay out of the business till he felt comfortable taking a finacial risk in it again. I don't blame him for it either. Nowadays it takes big money to get ahead in this business , money AGD has not had in a long time and the way they are planning for the future, (not planning at all really) money they will never have IMO.

It true in any business , things are slow for you you can either sit back and die or take a risk and gain (maybe) .

The only guarantee is if you do nothing (AGD) you will fall behind everyone else.

Doesn't matter what industry your talking about, true in any.

[RRfireblade]

No no, I'm talking about Tom refering to how AGD is not putting out a new marker or anything, because of the lawsuits, he outright says and I quote
You are avoiding that comment. He doesnt say that cause he has other interests right now, and I'm not denying that he does have other interests. I think Tom is brilliant, but you are ignoring what he said about the industry.

Dude , his word is not the end all be all of paintball.

Look at all the new product out in the last year ? What do YOU think he was taking about ?

[Automagsam]

Tom been making that same statement for the last 1-2 years.

There are always some suit going on , and big changes going on in the industry. Been that way for 20 years now. It NEVER been a stable business , not now , not then , not ever.

This business changes faster than PC technology and has as more basis in Hype and Perception then maybe any other industry in the world. It's economy is based largely on the whims and attutudes of 12-16 year old children. How stable are thier thoughts ever going to be?

Maybe that explains some of it for you.

I can't nor would I ever , with all due respect to Tom (and I do respect him greatly) put stock in his business choices in the last few years. He made the choice long ago that he would prefer to stay out of the business till he felt comfortable taking a finacial risk in it again. I don't blame him for it either. Nowadays it takes big money to get ahead in this business , money AGD has not had in a long time and the way they are planning for the future, (not planning at all really) money they will never have IMO.

It true in any business , things are slow for you you can either sit back and die or take a risk and gain (maybe) .

The only guarantee is if you do nothing (AGD) you will fall behind everyone else.

Doesn't matter what industry your talking about, true in any.

Ok let me ask you a question are companies through buisness, suing other companies to make money?

[RRfireblade]

Ok let me ask you a question are companies through buisness, suing other companies to make money?

I don't really know how to explain any of this any better for you.

What business are you in for yourself ? Just curious , no slam.

[Automagsam]

I don't really know how to explain any of this any better for you.

What business are you in for yourself ? Just curious , no slam.

answer the question.

[craltal]

No no, I'm talking about Tom refering to how AGD is not putting out a new marker or anything, because of the lawsuits, he outright says and I quote
You are avoiding that comment. He doesnt say that cause he has other interests right now, and I'm not denying that he does have other interests. I think Tom is brilliant, but you are ignoring what he said about the industry.

HE IS ONE MAN WHO HAS NOT BEEN DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED IN THE DEALINGS OF PAINTBALL FOR A FEW YEARS.

Stop thinking of TK as a deity and that every word out of his mouth is infallible. He may have quite a few more inside contacts than we do, but he does not know everything that is going on.

Just because Tom has moved on doesn't mean the paintball world is over and that everything is evil. Not everything is as cut and dry as you apparently think they are.

Maybe you should open your mind up to the opinions of others and stop hiding behind your "TK is awesome" shield.

[RRfireblade]

answer the question.

I asked you one. Are you afraid ??

Here's the other answer regardless.

There is NOT ONE SINGLE industry in the entire world of commerce that does not have someone sueing someone.

Not one single business in the entire world.

That will NEVER be a time when some one is not sueing some one.

There has NEVER in the history of paintball been a time where there was zero lawsiuts going on. Never.

[Automagsam]

HE IS ONE MAN WHO HAS NOT BEEN DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED IN THE DEALINGS OF PAINTBALL FOR A FEW YEARS.

Stop thinking of TK as a deity and that every word out of his mouth is infallible. He may have quite a few more inside contacts than we do, but he does not know everything that is going on.

Just because Tom has moved on doesn't mean the paintball world is over and that everything is evil. Not everything is as cut and dry as you apparently think they are.

Maybe you should open your mind up to the opinions of others and stop hiding behind your "TK is awesome" shield.

Well first off I never said I worshipped Tom K, I was simply qutoing him on the state of the Industry. Do you think he is wrong?

I asked you one. Are you afraid ??

Here's the other answer regardless.

There is NOT ONE SINGLE industry in the entire world of commerce that does not have someone sueing someone.

Not one single business in the entire world.

That will NEVER be a time when some one is not sueing some one.

There has NEVER in the history of paintball been a time where there was zero lawsiuts going on. Never.

I am not affraid you simply didn't answer my question before and instead asked me one. So you do agree about Tom Kaye's statement on the industry?

[Lohman446]

Ok let me ask you a question are companies through buisness, suing other companies to make money?

They are sueing others to protect there intellectual property rights. This is not just to make money. Imagine if you made a great product tomorrow, one that could make you live comfortably for your life, as well as your twenty employees, there familes etc that all depend on you.

Now imagine company B copies what you have, 90%. Do you not have duty to protect your rights for not only yourself, but your employees?

[Lohman446]

I am not affraid you simply didn't answer my question before and instead asked me one. So you do agree about Tom Kaye's statement on the industry?

No - because TK was making these statements a year ago and I can look at the new products that have been offered in the last year.