Automag RT INSULTED!!!

[Tao]

Just to be clear

Hey Raffizzz just to clarify. An "ultra light trigger pull kit" will not work in your classic RT. I just want to clarify that because there have been many suggestions to do it. Well this statement is not 100% true. Some of the last classic RT's apparantly can, and you can also get your gun modified to take it.

Basically the "ULT" needs there to be 2 orings in the bottom of your on/off hole in your valve. If you take the on/off assembly out and you see one small oring inside a larger oring in the bottom of your valve then you are fine to install the ULT. However you will probably only see the small one (sitting in a recess in the bottom of the hole), and would need the hole reemed out so you can fit in the double.

[shartley]

[TnDeathInc]

Remeber well highschool. for me it was around 20 years ago, it started in 6th grade. If you wasn't wearing Jordans or nikes or reebok, maybe even british knights, you were wearing "Buddies." Remeber all the girls wanting to wear guess jeans.

Its all about status. I for instance, like a goober load up my 4 mags get them from the bags along with the 1-2 higher end elctros i have and usually end up rocking with my olive green xvalved mag or my old faithful xvalved mini with the pressure cranked up to about 1000psi. The comments generally change to hey man is that an electro, can i shoot it. I can tell you i get uber thumbs ups from everyone who has been in the sport more than 6 -8 years, and a nose turned up at me from the 10-15 year old punks who got an ego or timmy for their birthday.

But with thier heads cocked back with their noses turned up it makes them way better targets. I usually end up letting some real noobs play with a couple of my mags.

either way its what you like. With a little money invested (xvalve, Ult, adj reg most imp.) and a tad of skill you can really keep up with anything.

[Raffizzz]

Unless your gun was an RT classic, your frame will need to be modified to fit his gun. Sorry to shoot the offer down, but it needs to be pointed out.

Thank you everyone,
after doing some research. I found out that the rt classic intelliframe is different, so I went ahead and ordered one from aiirgun store. so far I've ordered the level 10 bolt, freak barel adpt, ntelliframe double trriger for regular RT. and now I'm looking into the ULE/ULT trigger, does antbody know if this is available for the regullar RT, and if is where to get it?

Thanks Raffi

[athomas]

The ULT won't fit your gun. The ULT only fits the mags that take 2 orings above the on-off top. You can have the valve on-off hole milled out to accept the ULT.

[Raffizzz]

The ULT won't fit your gun. The ULT only fits the mags that take 2 orings above the on-off top. You can have the valve on-off hole milled out to accept the ULT.

the on and off saftety on the trigger your talking about? cause that's the only on and off I see, the only other part I've checked so far is the bottom part of the valve where the triger push's it, and when I took it off, there was a O ring on it, and smaller o ring inside!!!!!????

Can someone post a picture showing the above of the on_off, 2 orings please

Thanks

just took some pictures of the bottom part of the valve

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x233/Raffizzz/148.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x233/Raffizzz/MYRT.jpg

[ProblemKinder]

the on and off saftety on the trigger your talking about? cause that's the only on and off I see, the only other part I've checked so far is the bottom part of the valve where the triger push's it, and when I took it off, there was a O ring on it, and smaller o ring inside!!!!!????

Can someone post a picture showing the above of the on_off, 2 orings please

Thanks

the first picture is just my x-valve. i drew an arrow pointing to the ON/OFF, it's the brass colored square thing. you can pull it out with your fingernails, sometimes you need a screwdriver to pry it out, but 9 out of 10 times fingernails will do. make sure not to bend the on/off pin.



the second picture is a picture of my RT on/off (comes stock in an Emag/Xvalve) and a ULT on/off which costs like, 60 bucks or something, and the RT on/off O-rings. notice the ULT is a bit longer. these will both fit in a Emag/xvalve, but in order for the RT on/off to fit, it needs two o-rings (the black one inside the white one) to make up for the shorter length. the ULT is longer, and therefore will not fit with the o-rings inside. make sure if you replace your ON/OFF with a ULT, you keep those o-rings in case you want to use your RT ON/OFF later.

this of course is all assuming you purchase an X-valve. none of this applies to your valve. i don't have a RT valve otherwise i would use it in the pictures, this is all i have. (well, and my minimag valve)

i personally recommend going with the x-valve and ULT. it takes the RT effect out, but gives you a very light, very LEGAL trigger pull. tuning it is very easy. i just kept adding shims until i got the RT Bounce effect, then took one shim out. works beautifully.

[ProblemKinder]

also, if you look at the picture you uploaded there for us to see, take a look at the dark black/brownish oring inside the valve. the metal part around that oring is what needs to be milled out in order for a ULT to fit in your valve. I don't know who does that kind of work, but I know I would never try it.

[Tao]

the on and off saftety on the trigger your talking about? cause that's the only on and off I see, the only other part I've checked so far is the bottom part of the valve where the triger push's it, and when I took it off, there was a O ring on it, and smaller o ring inside!!!!!????

Can someone post a picture showing the above of the on_off, 2 orings please

Thanks

just took some pictures of the bottom part of the valve

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x233/Raffizzz/148.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...fizzz/MYRT.jpg

Unfortunately there aren't any pics readily available, but if you canget your hands on an x valve or even an old classic valve they have the dual oring at the bottom of the on/off hole. (note: valves on xmags or emags have a different centre oring)

[athomas]

Raffizzz :

If you look at your pictures, you can see that there is only 1 oring at the bottom of the hole where the on-off assembly fits in. It is recessed into the valve. In order for the ULT to fit, the entire assembly has to be at the same depth as the recessed oring hole. It won't fit until you have the valve's on-off hole machined to the correct depth.

[nathanjones008]

get a cheaper gun!

besides pimping out your rt you sell your rt and ue the money you would for rt upgrades and get a rail or a mini or fusion. It will be cheaper in the long run, rails need very little to NO upgrades. Make it easy!!

[cyberave68]

I believe the point is to trick out the mag a bit and mow some co-workers faces so go for it...
Make them regret taking bad about a mag...

[Thotograph]

besides pimping out your rt you sell your rt and ue the money you would for rt upgrades and get a rail or a mini or fusion. It will be cheaper in the long run, rails need very little to NO upgrades. Make it easy!!

Soory man but he's not looking for a way out, and anyways wtf? a rail needs ALOT of upgrades, or so all the cool kids down at the local shop would have you think, just to be half as good as a rt is out of the box... speed isn't everything... you gotta be able to maintain your gun, but that doesn't mean knowing how to provide a quick fix in between games (something I've NEVER had to do with me mags, ever).



The point of upgrading a mag is that once you upgrade it to your liking you don't have to do anything else to it and it just works... better than before (and trust me the products from agd actually do make your gun better, unlike many "ups" which really do nothing more than boost your perception of performance).

I'd say you are def on the right track Raff... just take it step by step and build your gun up until you feel satisfied with what it can do, don't settle for the latest bps 5000 when you can simply revive the legendary gun you already own and have it last ten times longer. I'd say a ult is one of the best things you can ever do to your mag... I've been thrilled to pieces with mine.

The other area I'd recommend you focus on would be supplying your rt with a good consistent air source, and while you're at it get a big tank. Then the lack of efficiency is a non issue. The flatline system from AGD is an excellent choice and is very similar to a mag and takes alot of the same orings etc, so it's very easy to maintain along with your rt.... other systems I recommend would be the dynaflow by centerflag, or maybe an older Air America Armageddon or Apocalypse if you are looking to spend less and still get the same results (they are a little heavier though) if weight is an issue then the dynaflow is your best bet (imo) plus they are only $75 rebuilt from centerflag.If you send in your bottle they'll swap it over for you and then you'll be in business.

Goodluck, hit me up on aim if you've got any other q's or whatever... goodluck!

[Bluemag321]

Dont worry about what other people think off your gun you bought it for a reason it doesn't matter if it can't spit 30+bps, they won't even allow it to be that fast you've got a good piece of history thats stood the test of time anyways it not the gun it's the player holding the gun.

[nathanjones008]

Soory man but he's not looking for a way out, and anyways wtf? a rail needs ALOT of upgrades, or so all the cool kids down at the local shop would have you think, just to be half as good as a rt is out of the box... speed isn't everything... you gotta be able to maintain your gun, but that doesn't mean knowing how to provide a quick fix in between games (something I've NEVER had to do with me mags, ever).



The point of upgrading a mag is that once you upgrade it to your liking you don't have to do anything else to it and it just works... better than before (and trust me the products from agd actually do make your gun better, unlike many "ups" which really do nothing more than boost your perception of performance).


No the rail doesnt really need much upgrades. I am am mostly( besides a better trigger, $25.00 and perhaps a barrel) satified with it the way it is out of the box. The mag is a good and reliable gun but, it is not the only good quailty gun out there! Yes i agree speed isnt all about paintball, i couldnt agree with you anymore, but with the rail you get more bang for your buck. Trust me i have looked up into upgrading my mag vs. the rail,( i havebeen shooting mags for 7 years). and the rail is much cheaper (or any gun around like unto it the rail)and you get more for your money. i have had my rail for 2 months now and 0 problems, i take care of it . If you take care of ANY gun it will take care of you.

but id the maker of this thread wants to spend his bucks on the rail than so be it. Its his decision, I am showing a alternative way for his situtaion.