Automag RT INSULTED!!!

[Ninjeff]

No. Sorry. I should have been more specific.

Seeing who could pull the trigger faster puts the "human" element into the equation. Talking pure marker tech, jack the gun up on auto as fast as it will go, and i'll do the same with the X-Valved Emag, and see who gets more shots in. Just going on marker TECH, as far as i know the X-Valve is still the faster valve in the industry.


And actually, the NOID is a good point.....good point. Hadnt thought of that.

Right.

I'd use a mech mag then.

[The Obvious]

No. Sorry. I should have been more specific.

Seeing who could pull the trigger faster puts the "human" element into the equation. Talking pure marker tech, jack the gun up on auto as fast as it will go, and i'll do the same with the X-Valved Emag, and see who gets more shots in. Just going on marker TECH, as far as i know the X-Valve is still the faster valve in the industry.


And actually, the NOID is a good point.....good point. Hadnt thought of that.

Right.

I'd use a mech mag then.

Uhm. Putting both on full auto, the Emag will still be limited to the ballpark area of 22-23bps.

MECH, without the noid limitation, and I agree with you.

(I think you meant to say MECH, instead of TECH, right?)

[speed_ga]

Out of sheer curiosity, what the heck are you even doing here Speed_ga?
I dont mean to be rude, but, really...why would you come to an AUTOMAG site and try to convince people that AUTOMAGS are out dated? That seems a bit absurd to me.


Anyway, you seem to mistake "revolutionary design" in new markers for "change"


Making something lighter CANNOT revolutionize a sport. Period. It can change it...but REVOLUTION it is not.

Taking the sport from 12 grams, to constant air IS revolutionary. It allows people to play in a TOTALLY different way than before. Putting HPA on a gun is REVOLUTIONARY as it opens up the whole industry to making markers work differently. AGD invented some items that had to be out lawed from tourneys because they changed the game so much.

Ive been playing a long time, and i find it curious that there still isnt a marker as easy to use, as reliable, and as easy to tear down as an Automag. But then again, thats all opinion.....

So here is something. If mags are so out dated, how is it that they HAVENT come out with anything new in YEARS....and yet, are still making a profit with the same ol' "outdated" tech?? Year in, and year out AGD makes money.

Thats not opinion, or in the past. Thats FACT my friend.

I would love to see Dye, Smarty Parts or a host of other manufacturers stop updating thier product line...and still stay in buisness. I wanna see it. For the same reason i want to see Santa Claus....because i love witnessing the impossible, and i just dont think it could happen.

OH! And for the record, i have an E-Mag. And its faster than damn near anything else ive ever seen. Bring your new fangled electro and i'll bring an X-Valve......we'll see who is faster.

why am I here? I play paintball, I have owned a mag, and this forum is for paintball talk.

If they are making such a profit....why are they raising prices
Dye and Smart Parts are two companies that have taken something good and made it better. That is why they keep updating there product line and suppying the customer with new improved markers, masks, and so on.... The emag is not the fastest marker on the market....sorry to inform you of that. As for the meet with the xvalve....i'm there. Do you live close to fayetteville, ga? We can tape it and everything:) I personally would like to see the look on your face when I empty my hopper and I still see balls in your hopper. Sure AGD is making profit....but are they increasing profit since they were in there prime a few years ago....NO Thats why they have to do small production runs just to keep them supplied for a few more years. It's not just how fast a gun is, it's also how they feel these days. Try the Ul frame dye has come out and come back to me. Can you adjust your trigger in 3 different ways? I can:) I can adjust the stiffness of the spring, forward travel and back travel. The trigger even has a bearing in it to make it ohh so smooth.

Just realize that the automag is a good gun and will always be decent...but match it up with todays markers and it won't compare.

[Ninjeff]

I did, indeed, mix my words. I meant to illustrate the speed of the x-valve.

[The Obvious]

I miss Zak a great deal.
The last time i called him, he was still in pain from his leg injury.
I hope he's doing alright.

[Tao]

What makes it faster?
The noid limits it's ROF, By the way.
Mean to say, whoever can pull the trigger faster?

The noid may limit its rate of fire but ONLY limits it down to mid 20s in BPS. The trigger system is allows youto shoot faster with hybrid mode than any othr gun out there.

[AmyM]

i could go on forever, but...

speed ga quote:
"We can tape it and everything I personally would like to see the look on your face when I empty my hopper and I still see balls in your hopper."
Are you for real?
That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Let this thread die here...PLEASE! I can't take anymore...
Amy

[robnix]

why am I here? I play paintball, I have owned a mag, and this forum is for paintball talk.

If they are making such a profit....why are they raising prices
Dye and Smart Parts are two companies that have taken something good and made it better. That is why they keep updating there product line and suppying the customer with new improved markers, masks, and so on.... The emag is not the fastest marker on the market....sorry to inform you of that. As for the meet with the xvalve....i'm there. Do you live close to fayetteville, ga? We can tape it and everything:) I personally would like to see the look on your face when I empty my hopper and I still see balls in your hopper. Sure AGD is making profit....but are they increasing profit since they were in there prime a few years ago....NO Thats why they have to do small production runs just to keep them supplied for a few more years. It's not just how fast a gun is, it's also how they feel these days. Try the Ul frame dye has come out and come back to me. Can you adjust your trigger in 3 different ways? I can:) I can adjust the stiffness of the spring, forward travel and back travel. The trigger even has a bearing in it to make it ohh so smooth.

Just realize that the automag is a good gun and will always be decent...but match it up with todays markers and it won't compare.

Thank you for reminding us of our place. I'll take my mags and crawl back in the hole of obsolescence where I belong I guess....





















Oh who am I kidding...

Seriously, there's really nothing that most markers offer these days that make my toes tingle enough to get me away from my Emag, Tac One, and the T-Boarded Hyperframed Karta project I have going on right now.

Smooth trigger? My Emag trigger pull is shorter and smoother than any other marker I've tried. With the XMOD software on it, I get all the ramping modes needed, plus dwell and fix adjustments to really make it sing. It's a bit heavy, but it'll always shoot since unlike any other marker on the market, I can flip it into mech mode at will. Then again, it's still only about 2 lb 8 oz, so it's not like I'm lugging around a Tippy...

The Tac One I have is simply the best mech marker available. It's reliable, fast, and with the ULT in it has an incredibly light pull for a mech. Not to mention with a Q Loader on it it's low profile and makes it perfect for woods/scenerio games. Plus, Kruger's wood grips really make it a beautiful addition to my collection.

The Hyperframed/TBoarded/Karta project that I have going on will be super light. The last RT/Pro bodied mag like this I built weighed 1lb. 13oz. with a Stiffi on it, this one should be about the same. My favorite moment with the last one was when a ref asked me what kind of Schlocker it was. When I handed it to him and he realized it was a 'Mag, his response was that he'd never seen a mag that was that small, light, and fast before. We held it up to a Schlocker, and found that it was smaller and had a lower profile...go figure. The Hyperframe with Lukes trigger was already fast, the next one with the TBoard should be as fast, and will ramp if you want it to...

So tell me again, what do new markers offer me that my 'Mags don't?

[Thotograph]

Wasn't this thread meant to help Rafizz with getting his RT to a level he's happy with? What happend man, any word? Had any good pball outings with the RT lately?

Speed ga, I think effective marketing has enslaved you and your thoughts. None of the so called "Revolutionary" innovations you've mentioned are even remotely revolutionary. Low pressure has been around since there was air pressure propeling paintballs, hell if you want to call something revolutionary look at the first mass produced spooler valve, the nova 700... that was a revolutionary product. It also sounded like a wet fart when it fired a paintball. The mag can be just as light as any other lightweight gun, and yet for the mag it is done without sacrificing it's rugged durability. Every gun makes a valiant effort to claim these so called "revolutionary" traits, but what, if anything has changed?

I applaud the marketing think tank that has blinded you from the truth

The point is you need to see that it's the skills which the user emplores that make him a good player. The equipment is simply there to allow you to perform at whatever level you wish to. Sure, a pmr rail may be an adequate gun to play some fast paced airball tourney until it's not cool anymore to do so, but if that's not what Rafizz or someone else has in mind then that's their own inclination. Who wants to argue with that? I think it's pointless. Are buying something better, or just a boost in self esteem? They all do practically the same thing, until they break... and then they don't do anything.

Do your research before you criticize AGD, look at the market, what else is their a need for? All of their stuff works, their upgrades actually do something to improve the performance, and they are surviving and staying afloat in todays hostile waters. Smart parts patent won't last forever considering it's so vague and non-descript. An electro pneumatically operated paintball gun is a concept, and AGD like many others has their own unique design... SP simply wants to patent the wheel. AGD has decided that (most likely) the cost of legal fallout doesn't outweigh the potential earnings enough for them to get involved. I think it's a major bummer but I don't fault them for their decision when there's far more sinister parties to blame.

Like my man Chuck-D said:

"Don't believe the hype."

Or wait, was that Flav?

[ProblemKinder]

The trigger even has a bearing in it to make it ohh so smooth.

http://www.themagsmith.com/store/ind...d&productId=74
http://www.themagsmith.com/store/ind...od&productId=4

[ProblemKinder]

ok to answer your question.

Lightness of paintball markers
Speed of paintball markers
Paintball prices
Running of markers at really low pressure.

All the above have revolutionized paintball in some way.


Revolutionary guns: Mini, Ion, Rail all have performance of high end, high priced markers at the low cost of 450.00 and under.

Paintball has come a long way since the automag and it seems as if automag sorda got stuck and decided to stop producing products. I'd rather a company die trying than to be a coward like AGD.

New: other than the former or the old

Revolutionary:radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.


making a marker slightly lighter than last years model is hardly revolutionary. it might be "new" but it's not "radically new". same goes for all your above examples.

[The Obvious]

New: other than the former or the old

Revolutionary:radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.


making a marker slightly lighter than last years model is hardly revolutionary. it might be "new" but it's not "radically new". same goes for all your above examples.

Then you'd agree that the X valve is not revolutionary?

[Ninjeff]

Sure would. But the design of the "mag valves" in general, was.

At least as far as i know.

[Thotograph]

The Xvalve was just a good idea that was long coming... however I agree with Jeff that the original RT design is still revolutionary... it'll always be ahead of it's time (imo). The X-valve is yet another indication that AGD commited to revising their products to make them viable in todays market without relying on gimmicks to keep them afloat.

[olinar]

i dont mean to rag on anyone but these internet fights are retarded especially when you guys are arguing over something that is chosen by preference.i mean anyone of use could go buy a new marker but why, they are all used for the same purpose and if what you have works why change it?

anyways im sure im not the only one wondering what happened with Raffizz and his marker of choice.