Automag RT INSULTED!!!

[Tao]

Funny, I see that as the very definition of inconsistency.

When you are chronoing using the method to chrono an RT, since slight variations in the speed which you pull the trigger simulating rapid fire, changes the velocity so much. Anyway without simulating rapid fire you will shoot slow, but consistent.

[Hexis]

I'm very aware of the chrono-ing procedure for an RT based Mag. I'm also aware of why the valve ramps velocity. My ReTro valve has a serial number just over 500. I have used it and other Mags for a while now. Under the best circumstances none are anywhere near as consistent as some of my other gear, both electro and mech. Shot to shot consistency is simply not a strength of the RT design.

[athomas]

I'm very aware of the chrono-ing procedure for an RT based Mag. I'm also aware of why the valve ramps velocity. My ReTro valve has a serial number just over 500. I have used it and other Mags for a while now. Under the best circumstances none are anywhere near as consistent as some of my other gear, both electro and mech. Shot to shot consistency is simply not a strength of the RT design.

Both my emag and retro mag have great shot to shot consistency over the chrono. They are usually within +/- 2 fps.

My classic mag is even better. It is usually bang on every time. The only time it fluctuates I suspect is when an inconsistent ball is shot.

[Hexis]

If you honestly think a RT valve only ramps 2fps during a string, you are measuring it wrong.

Face facts, the RT valve is not perfect. The design has a lot of great features. Consistency is not one of them. I'm not trying to say there is a perfect design. There are however, other designs that are significantly more consistent.

[athomas]

If you honestly think a RT valve only ramps 2fps during a string, you are measuring it wrong.

Face facts, the RT valve is not perfect. The design has a lot of great features. Consistency is not one of them. I'm not trying to say there is a perfect design. There are however, other designs that are significantly more consistent.

No, I didn't mention shooting a string. It shoots single shots with repeatable consistency. It ramps in velocity like a retro vavle is known to do, but in rapid fire situations it doesn't matter, because at that time you can follow the string of shots.

[Hexis]

So you are saying it's consistent if you shoot single shots slowly? Or that the shots are consistent during a string, after the velocity ramps (and that's a different stable velocity than the single shots)?

Guess what, that's inconsistent.

Due to the valve design, an RT is not consistent. If it were, we would not need to chrono with a special procedure to simulate the velocity ramp during rapid fire.

WRT consistency there are significantly better valve designs that are consistent during single shots, during bursts and strings.

[cyberave68]

WOW where has this thread gone????

Raffizzz hows the upgrades coming along??? Any pics of the new and improved RT???

[C.J.]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I speak very highly of my Automag RT, and
yesterday I showed it to my co workers, and today I overheard them
talking and laughing about it, insulting it by saying that it has passed
it's time!!!!, I know this classic piece is old, but is it that bad?
recently I asked for upgrade info, and you suggested to get the level 10
bolt upgrade, and that should do it for the RT. At this point I'm so
mad, that next time I go out paintballing with this guys, I want to make
a point. What else can I do to make this up to date. I'm in the Los
Angeles area, if anybody can help my customize it, hit me up.

Thank You
Raffi.

Raffi,

Would you laugh at someone for driving a Shelby Cobra? I doubt it - it's a classic and no slouch on performance.

The Automag is like a Shelby Cobra. Only an ignoramus laughs at a classic.

[athomas]

So you are saying it's consistent if you shoot single shots slowly? Or that the shots are consistent during a string, after the velocity ramps (and that's a different stable velocity than the single shots)?

Guess what, that's inconsistent.

Due to the valve design, an RT is not consistent. If it were, we would not need to chrono with a special procedure to simulate the velocity ramp during rapid fire.

WRT consistency there are significantly better valve designs that are consistent during single shots, during bursts and strings.

If I shoot single shots, every shot is near identical to the previous shot. Its the single shots that matter. The one shot, one kill. That is where consistency matters. As long as I know exactly where my shot is going based on the trajectory I have chosen because I know my gun is going to react exactly as it alway has, I will make my shot. That is consistency.

[Hexis]

If I shoot single shots, every shot is near identical to the previous shot. Its the single shots that matter. The one shot, one kill. That is where consistency matters. As long as I know exactly where my shot is going based on the trajectory I have chosen because I know my gun is going to react exactly as it alway has, I will make my shot. That is consistency.

No, that is consistency if...

That's consistency under controlled circumstances.

You go ahead and believe that the RT is the greatest thing ever in all ways. I'll give up on trying to point out some areas where the design is not perfect. You go ahead and live the delusion. I'll continue to keep my mind open.

[athomas]

If shooting in a game situation is controlled situations, then what more could you ask for? And yes, I would put the retro/RT mag up against any mechanical marker on the planet.

[Hexis]

*Sigh*

I suspect you play paintball in a very different way from me and the people I play with. I find uses for single shots, bursts and long stings. I also find uses for both mech and electro guns. I like tools that work well in all situations.

[athomas]

When I aim at a target, I usually hit it. Is there any other way to play?

My style of play is aggressive. I play Xball on the east coast in the AXBL. The retro mag doesn't provide the kind of 15bps break shooting that I need as a back player. Its not made for that. Thats where I use my Predator Angel. When I play scenario ball or general games, I use the retro-mag due to its reliability and consistency. My Angel is consistent too. It just doesn't lend itself to scenario type play quite as well.

[Siress]

That's because you haven't put a predator in your retro mag... Do it.

[RogueFactor]

When I aim at a target, I usually hit it. Is there any other way to play?