Automag RT INSULTED!!!

[athomas]

The mechanical mags aren't meant to compete with the electros. They were designed to compete with the other mechanical guns in the market and are still considered to be the best, most reliable mechanical marker out there. If I go to a big scenario game, its my retromag I take, not my electronic gun.

The emag was great in its day. It still competes. AGD chose not to continue the advancement towards electronic enhancements until the legal stuff got worked out. The biggest part of the market is with mechanical markers. That is where AGD chose to market their product, with less chance of legal interference.

[ProblemKinder]

Then you'd agree that the X valve is not revolutionary?

yes. the RT valve was revolutionary, the X valve was new.

[Tao]

Sure would. But the design of the "mag valves" in general, was.

At least as far as i know.

Yeah the classic ws revolutionary since it incorportated a regulator. The RT was revolutionary since it had such huge performance and hell it actually shot the balls at a higher velocity the faster you pulled the trigger!

[Tao]

i dont mean to rag on anyone but these internet fights are retarded especially when you guys are arguing over something that is chosen by preference.i mean anyone of use could go buy a new marker but why, they are all used for the same purpose and if what you have works why change it?

anyways im sure im not the only one wondering what happened with Raffizz and his marker of choice.

I think he got what he needed out of this forum. Most people were trying to push a ULT on him anyway which he can't use in his gun without some cutom work. I PMed him just to put that straight but he hasn't responded so he may not have been here for a few days.

[speed_ga]

All the so called upgrades for the mag have been around for forever. Why don't these upgrades come stock on the automags now? Tell me that. Even the most basic automag should at least be vert feed and have cocker threads. Why isn't AGD improving there products. I mean it's so hard to find mag threaded barrels these days...

[Ninjeff]

So, let me get it all straight.

The only thing you're upset about is the span of time between AGD putting out new parts. So, becaus ethere havent been any new developments in a few years, that MUST mean that the products arent as good.

Is that the logic?

Seriously, im curious.

[speed_ga]

the automag is a great marker(PERIOD...NUFF SAID). It makes me so mad that AGD and the people behind AGD are backing down from offering new designs and not showing the world what a great marker it is. Once you get big, other companies like smart parts are going to bug you with issues...but you have to overcome that and go around it. AGD could do that...but no! they want to stay in there little fox hole and hide. They want to mark there prices up, not produce anything new or improved their products. How hard would it be to advertise a lil more, change the body style a bit, and so on. I wish AGD would sell the company to someone that is hard working and has ideas for the future of AGD. I refuse to support a company that is headingin a dead end direction.

[nevtangle]

All the so called upgrades for the mag have been around for forever. Why don't these upgrades come stock on the automags now? Tell me that. Even the most basic automag should at least be vert feed and have cocker threads. Why isn't AGD improving there products. I mean it's so hard to find mag threaded barrels these days...

They do come w/ these upgrades.

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=368&categoryID=79

http://www.themagsmith.com/store/ind...od&productId=5

You should find something better to do. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and are here trying to start trouble. Maybe find a girlfriend or something that better occupies your time.

[speed_ga]

So, let me get it all straight.

The only thing you're upset about is the span of time between AGD putting out new parts. So, becaus ethere havent been any new developments in a few years, that MUST mean that the products arent as good.

Is that the logic?

Seriously, im curious.

Span of time....how about once every two years....lol AGD can't even do that. The products AGD produces are outdated....they are good...but outdated like I said. What if AGD invented the hat Christopher Columbus wore. And at the time everyone liked it, like the automag.
But AGD never improved it....now would you want everyone to wear this type of hat across the world for years and years and more years? No....

[speed_ga]

They do come w/ these upgrades.

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=368&categoryID=79

http://www.themagsmith.com/store/ind...od&productId=5

You should find something better to do. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and are here trying to start trouble. Maybe find a girlfriend or something that better occupies your time.

what i'm saying is that why are they even still selling right feeds, and powerfeeds....? You shouldn't have to pay more to get the vert feed feature. It should come standard. Even the most basic gun like the Viewloaders that are sold at wal-mart come standard with a vert feed.....

[Ninjeff]

No offense, but of all your analogies that one is the worst one by far.

Hats have little to nothing to do with this. One is fashion, and the other is utility.

I would wager another analogy:

Lets say AGD invented the Chevy small block engine. And, in its day it ruled the streets.

They leave the design as is, and dont update it...for years. Would that mean the engine is out dated? Obsolete? Does it need to be updated? There are thousands of car and hot rod junkies that beg to differ. And the great thing is, that engine can still spank alot of engines today. If it was outdated and obsolete, why would so many people buy them?


The thing is, if you design something right the FIRST time, you dont need to change it a whole bunch later. Mags got the workings of the gun right when they made the valve design they made. They havent updated to guts in years...why? Because alot of the industry is still catching up to AGD. A soon as someone makes a gun as simple, reliable, upgradable, and maintainable as an Automag.

By the way, if your electronics go down on your super electro gun, can you switch to mech mode?

I can.

[Ninjeff]

what i'm saying is that why are they even still selling right feeds, and powerfeeds....? You shouldn't have to pay more to get the vert feed feature. It should come standard. Even the most basic gun like the Viewloaders that are sold at wal-mart come standard with a vert feed.....

Is there something WRONG with power feeds? Last i checked they worked great.

[Hexis]

Hats have little to nothing to do with this. One is fashion, and the other is utility.

Well there's your problem right there. You think trends in paintball are not fashion.

[Ninjeff]

Well there's your problem right there. You think trends in paintball are not fashion.

Silly me! How could i forget?

[Tao]

All the so called upgrades for the mag have been around for forever. Why don't these upgrades come stock on the automags now? Tell me that. Even the most basic automag should at least be vert feed and have cocker threads. Why isn't AGD improving there products. I mean it's so hard to find mag threaded barrels these days...

The don't come stock so you can have a choice. The most basic automag CAN be vert feed and cocker threaded, you have the choice. They are imporving these products. You have a choice to be lightweigth and take cocker threads, or go for the old school look. You can have a standard grip, inteli grip, or y grip. How many guns come with a choice of grip frame???? Sure it is hard to find twistlock barrels these days, but the old style is an OPTION (The stock barrel is all you need anyway from my experience)

All but the pro classic come standard with an x valve which has the anti chop bolt and the best valve system in existance. This seems like an emprovement to me. The ONLY thing that guns theses days have over an automag are anti chop eyes and fancy software which are basically redundant. When using my x mag I have never had the level 10 bolt or the eyes need to kick in. Unless I was an idiot and didn't turn on my hopper or replace its batteries.

Heck you get more variety with choice with AGD when you buy a new gun.