Automag RT INSULTED!!!

[Tao]

Soory man but he's not looking for a way out, and anyways wtf? a rail needs ALOT of upgrades, or so all the cool kids down at the local shop would have you think, just to be half as good as a rt is out of the box... speed isn't everything... you gotta be able to maintain your gun, but that doesn't mean knowing how to provide a quick fix in between games (something I've NEVER had to do with me mags, ever).



The point of upgrading a mag is that once you upgrade it to your liking you don't have to do anything else to it and it just works... better than before (and trust me the products from agd actually do make your gun better, unlike many "ups" which really do nothing more than boost your perception of performance).


No the rail doesnt really need much upgrades. I am am mostly satified with it the way it is out of the box. The mag is a good and reliable gun but, it isnt the only good quailty gun out there. Yes i agree speed isnt all about paintball, i couldnt agree with you anymore, but with the rail you get more bang for your buck. Trust me i have looked up into upgrading my mag vs. the rail,( i havebeen shooting mags for 7 years). and the rail is much cheaper and you get more for your money. i have had my rail for 2 months now and 0 problems, i take care of it . If you take care of ANY gun it will take care of you.

but id the maker of this thread wants to spend his bucks on the rail than so be it. Its his decision, I am showing a alternative way for his situtaion.

I don't know about you but if I did have even a minor glitch after only 2 months I would freak!!
Anyway buying another gun is not the point of this thread since that is basically what his buddies are trying to say. All he really needs is an adjustable reg like the flatline so he can rip paint faster than anything else on the field.

[speed_ga]

to be brutal honest about your situation.... nathanjones008 is right. Though the automag technology works and of good quality...it's way outdated. I mean research and you will soon find out that AGD hasn't improved there technolgy much. I mean....who hasn't gone electric yet?? They are a company that was on top of tourny level back in the day. Now days the electric craze has gone to great lengths and dominate the speed market. Don't get me wrong...your rt is a good gun and compares to some of the other mechanical guns. But your coworkers are in a way correct. And why upgrade a gun that even fully upgrade...wouldn't compare the quickness of the low priced...but high quality, light weight, and tourney approved electros! Then again it's your decision. Get whatever floats your boat. If your hard core into automags...this isn't gonna change your mind....but it's the honest truth. AGD in a year or so...is gonna be out of business....they are afraid to come out with anything new....even though they have great fan support...it's a shame...........


AGD!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! GET UPDATED!!!!

[speed_ga]

Thank you everyone,
after doing some research. I found out that the rt classic intelliframe is different, so I went ahead and ordered one from aiirgun store. so far I've ordered the level 10 bolt, freak barel adpt, ntelliframe double trriger for regular RT. and now I'm looking into the ULE/ULT trigger, does antbody know if this is available for the regullar RT, and if is where to get it?

Thanks Raffi

for all that money you spent....you could of gotten better technology...did you research some of the 400 doller range electros....

[nathanjones008]

speed_ga

to be brutal honest about your situation.... nathanjones008 is right. Though the automag technology works and of good quality...it's way outdated. I mean research and you will soon find out that AGD hasn't improved there technolgy much. I mean....who hasn't gone electric yet?? They are a company that was on top of tourny level back in the day. Now days the electric craze has gone to great lengths and dominate the speed market. Don't get me wrong...your rt is a good gun and compares to some of the other mechanical guns. But your coworkers are in a way correct. And why upgrade a gun that even fully upgrade...wouldn't compare the quickness of the low priced...but high quality, light weight, and tourney approved electros! Then again it's your decision. Get whatever floats your boat. If your hard core into automags...this isn't gonna change your mind....but it's the honest truth. AGD in a year or so...is gonna be out of business....they are afraid to come out with anything new....even though they have great fan support...it's a shame...........


AGD!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! GET UPDATED!!!!


lol

[cyberave68]

to be brutal honest about your situation.... nathanjones008 is right. Though the automag technology works and of good quality...it's way outdated. I mean research and you will soon find out that AGD hasn't improved there technolgy much. I mean....who hasn't gone electric yet?? They are a company that was on top of tourny level back in the day. Now days the electric craze has gone to great lengths and dominate the speed market. Don't get me wrong...your rt is a good gun and compares to some of the other mechanical guns. But your coworkers are in a way correct. And why upgrade a gun that even fully upgrade...wouldn't compare the quickness of the low priced...but high quality, light weight, and tourney approved electros! Then again it's your decision. Get whatever floats your boat. If your hard core into automags...this isn't gonna change your mind....but it's the honest truth. AGD in a year or so...is gonna be out of business....they are afraid to come out with anything new....even though they have great fan support...it's a shame...........


AGD!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! GET UPDATED!!!!

You call that brutally honest? That's called a biased OPINION. Just cause you think mags need to update doesn't mean mags are outdated. Mags have been electro, just because they don't want to pay some other piss off company royalties doesn't mean they need to up date. Your electro wont work in 4-5 years. After all the repairs and parts and upgrades your in the hole for alot more, and stuck with a expensive paper weight(That still dont work!). His mag will still keep shooting while you out spending another $400 to get another AGG gun. The guy likes his gun that's why it bothered him that they were talking bad about it. I hope he gets his gun and gives them a few bonus balls for thinking you have to have an new electro just to play paintball. Oh wait that sounds more like you??? People are allowed there opinions but for the record i have spent more money fixing my 2 electros over the past 2 years that i could have gotten 3 or 4 Emags and just played paintball...

My 2 cents for tonight....

[Tao]

to be brutal honest about your situation.... nathanjones008 is right. Though the automag technology works and of good quality...it's way outdated. I mean research and you will soon find out that AGD hasn't improved there technolgy much. I mean....who hasn't gone electric yet?? They are a company that was on top of tourny level back in the day. Now days the electric craze has gone to great lengths and dominate the speed market. Don't get me wrong...your rt is a good gun and compares to some of the other mechanical guns. But your coworkers are in a way correct. And why upgrade a gun that even fully upgrade...wouldn't compare the quickness of the low priced...but high quality, light weight, and tourney approved electros! Then again it's your decision. Get whatever floats your boat. If your hard core into automags...this isn't gonna change your mind....but it's the honest truth. AGD in a year or so...is gonna be out of business....they are afraid to come out with anything new....even though they have great fan support...it's a shame...........


AGD!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! GET UPDATED!!!!

lol

The AGD system (I mean the guts not the trigger system) is still way ahead of most guns. Guns these days have only low pressure above and beyond the automag which allows a few extra shots and is a bit softer on paint AT THE SACRIFICE of top end BPS performance (due to the slower recharge of the valves.

In a pure BPS race the auomag will probably outshoot any gun today in max BPS without shoot down. However this doesn't mean much.

The main thing is if a gun can support 20bps without problems (shoot down etc) after that is it easy to fix, is it reliable, is it easy on paint. The main feature which the automags are missing is break beam eyes, which you don't need with a warp feed anyway.

Besides electro guns are for tournament play, rec play is a little silly with electros unless all you are playing is speed ball.

The RT is just fine as is. At the most it could use an anti chop bolt which will let it handle any paint in and environment. It may still break some paint, but less that almost any other gun out there.

[speed_ga]

you got me rolling...hahaha I've had a old style matrix that I have had since 2002 and it has never failed me or cost me more money. So whatever your doing to your electro gun can't be good for it.... Thinking a Mechanical Mag can compete with todays higher end is just the user being blind. Thats like if someone bought a Nintendo NES original and decided that it's the better built of todays gaming systems. Although the Nintendo worked for it's time...it's just a classic now and wouldn't have a chance competeing against the higher end market of the gaming industry. I'll change my opinion when AGD stops increasing prices of there old "CLASSIC" products and mabey design something more current.

i'd like to give a bow to all the companies that work around the clock to improve and invent new products for the paintball players!

And AGD gets this guy> AGD just needs to grow up and produce something new...

[nevtangle]

but it's the honest truth. AGD in a year or so...is gonna be out of business....they are afraid to come out with anything new....even though they have great fan support...it's a shame...........


AGD!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! GET UPDATED!!!!

Do you know how many times I've heard this exact same thing? And guess what... Still in business!

And what are all these other companies coming out with that is so revolutioary? Electros? Those have been out for a long time. Ever heard of the E-Mag?

[cyberave68]

you got me rolling...hahaha I've had a old style matrix that I have had since 2002 and it has never failed me or cost me more money. So whatever your doing to your electro gun can't be good for it.... Thinking a Mechanical Mag can compete with todays higher end is just the user being blind. Thats like if someone bought a Nintendo NES original and decided that it's the better built of todays gaming systems. Although the Nintendo worked for it's time...it's just a classic now and wouldn't have a chance competeing against the higher end market of the gaming industry. I'll change my opinion when AGD stops increasing prices of there old "CLASSIC" products and mabey design something more current.

i'd like to give a bow to all the companies that work around the clock to improve and invent new products for the paintball players!

And AGD gets this guy> AGD just needs to grow up and produce something new...

[speed_ga]

Do you know how many times I've heard this exact same thing? And guess what... Still in business!

And what are all these other companies coming out with that is so revolutioary? Electros? Those have been out for a long time. Ever heard of the E-Mag?

Emag...hahahahahahaha what a joke...when was the last time they produced the emag. Here is a qoute straight from AGD's Store Emag although a good gun...you can't even purchase a new one.

"Custom E-Mag

Not available at this time."

They have not been avalible for forever. Even at that...have you ever shot a electro compared your mag. Don't even try to tell me that your trigger pull is shorter than an electro...because that's just outragous! lol and I better put this in here...i'm not talking about spyder electro's...try a same price range electro like the mini, rail, etc....

Talking about revolutionary.......the prototype page on here is a joke. The last prototype is from 2003...lol I could go on and on...but heres a posting from the AGD's official site homepage.
"After using 200 AGD Automags for field rental markers for the last 9 years at Foxwood Skirmish in Norfolk, England, owner Mike Mason has opened a second field at Plumstead just outside Norwich, and his choice for the only rental paintball markers at the new venue? The AGD Pro Classic!"

ok....since when does a company resort to bragging about being a rental marker at a paintball field. Why are they not showing you new product....improvements...and so on? Invent or at least reinvent the automag to improve and live up to the standards of todays paintball game. boo for AGD.....

And I know this has to come up or probley already has......If you can't Invent a new maker that someone else has a patent for a particular design....you have to pay royalties. Look at what the Mini has accomplished. They have a new design and don't pay a cent to smart parts.

[Tao]

you got me rolling...hahaha I've had a old style matrix that I have had since 2002 and it has never failed me or cost me more money. So whatever your doing to your electro gun can't be good for it.... Thinking a Mechanical Mag can compete with todays higher end is just the user being blind. Thats like if someone bought a Nintendo NES original and decided that it's the better built of todays gaming systems. Although the Nintendo worked for it's time...it's just a classic now and wouldn't have a chance competeing against the higher end market of the gaming industry. I'll change my opinion when AGD stops increasing prices of there old "CLASSIC" products and mabey design something more current.

i'd like to give a bow to all the companies that work around the clock to improve and invent new products for the paintball players!

And AGD gets this guy> AGD just needs to grow up and produce something new...

LAMO!!!!!! I like this one: "i'd like to give a bow to all the companies that work around the clock to improve and invent new products for the paintball players! " Do you know what AGD brought to the industry. Do you know what "new" things are being made today? Well nothing. The pulse was as far as new inovation has come recently, but it was shot down by lawsuits (we will see if they are valid or not). Anyway all there is in todays market is "planned obsolescence". maunfactures today are making guns lighter with some other minor features. They KNOW how light they can make the gun, but instead of going straight there they take baby steps towards it so they can sell 05, 06, 07, 08, 09 models which get slightly lighter as they go.
Well mechanical AGD guns can compete with the electros of today with the right upgrades, which I admit are expensive. Also I don't know why you compare using nintendo since all but the orriginal system sucked even when they first came out

Anyway if you hail those companies who inovate you can thank AGD for regulators, constant air (instead of 12 gram cartrages), high pressure air, , adjustable regulated HPA tanks, contributing to reasearch for barrel accuracy. Not a long list, but these things are HUGE. And they still were inovating, until the paintball environment changed from sharing of technology to trying to manopolize on it.

My stock emag can out shoot most other markers I have seen anyway :P Hybrid mode is still a way beter trigger system than anything out there. It doesn't take much to make sure it is a legal (pure semi) mode either

[speed_ga]

nice video...but why would u post that when you chopped a ball.

[cyberave68]

It was a barrel break? I wasnt shooting it...lol

[Tao]

Emag...hahahahahahaha what a joke...when was the last time they produced the emag. Here is a qoute straight from AGD's Store Emag although a good gun...you can't even purchase a new one.

"Custom E-Mag

Not available at this time."

They have not been avalible for forever. Even at that...have you ever shot a electro compared your mag. Don't even try to tell me that your trigger pull is shorter than an electro...because that's just outragous! lol and I better put this in here...i'm not talking about spyder electro's...try a same price range electro like the mini, rail, etc....

Talking about revolutionary.......the prototype page on here is a joke. The last prototype is from 2003...lol I could go on and on...but heres a posting from the AGD's official site homepage.
"After using 200 AGD Automags for field rental markers for the last 9 years at Foxwood Skirmish in Norfolk, England, owner Mike Mason has opened a second field at Plumstead just outside Norwich, and his choice for the only rental paintball markers at the new venue? The AGD Pro Classic!"

ok....since when does a company resort to bragging about being a rental marker at a paintball field. Why are they not showing you new product....improvements...and so on? Invent or at least reinvent the automag to improve and live up to the standards of todays paintball game. boo for AGD.....

And I know this has to come up or probley already has......If you can't Invent a new maker that someone else has a patent for a particular design....you have to pay royalties. Look at what the Mini has accomplished. They have a new design and don't pay a cent to smart parts.

I agree with the prototype page. it has just been left up there just for the history since there won't be anything new there until the environment settles dow a bit.

what is wrong with bragging about the rental market? This is marketing. Should AGD try marketing the latest and grates electro which would have to be better than the emag and half the price to compete or target a market shich only has a few companies competing in (tippmann, pirahna) rather than (SP, WGP, WDP, and on and on and on)

For the high end electro market, AGD supplies basic parts like the x valve which is STILL supperior to almost everything out there (some guns are just catching up), and market it to the consumer who customizes their own guns by building it from the ground up to suit their own tastes. It is still a small market, but it is empty and mostlikely more profitable than reentering the mainstream market. The theory is companies are "profit maximizers" AGD was never afraid to pay for tallent (engineers, etc) to help them be competitive. They are in the place where they can be the most profitable.

[nathanjones008]

wow!

Wow! One of the main reason AGD is still is business because it is prolly a 1-3 man show. There is marcy, and some tech dude. As far as i am concerned no one is hired to create ( with the exception of tom k decides to step in, but i do not expect it.

This is what i see, then are milking all the old products as much as they can to squeeze every penny possible before they go under.( selling old stock).