The Pledge of Allegiance Unconstituitonal

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by Sarah
Yes, there are muslims here. But in 1776, there were christians or catholics.

I think now God doesn't signify the christian god, but means simply "insert deity of choice here".

Re: prayer in public schools.

On september 11th my principal led a prayer. NO ONE out of 1800 students, teachers and staff complained. Muslims, Christians, athiests (I'm assuming a moment of silence for them, or just a wish), wiccans, and Jews all prayed one prayer. If you look at the holy texts of pretty much any major religion, they are nearly the exact same thing, simply in differnt words, with different people and different goals. The same revalations are to be had, the same miracles happen.

I think declaring the PoA unconsitutional goes along the same vein as declaring legal tender unconstitutional because it has the words "in God we trust" on it.

I love how some people are perfectly willing to take and spend the money with that phrase on it, while protesting it.

By the way, this is SanFran, the same town that declared, "Dogs don't have owners, they have Guardians" and enforce that law. Won't even go there..

h0 hum, it doesn't matter, it was just an Appelate court. The supreme court will rule the way Bush wants and he's already spoken of his disapproval for this decision.

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by obsolete898

J
ust like Yaeway(Badsp) is the Jewish god. I understand what you are saying, but when you say "God" the implication is that you are refering to the god of the Christains.



Still haven't got an answer.

The implication when you say god is an ominiscent creator. (I came up with this definition on my own.)

Here's the dictionary's definition.
god Pronunciation Key (gd)
n.
God
A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
A very handsome man.
A powerful ruler or despot.

[MicrOMag]

No, you completely inferred wrong. I don't practice a religion, I'm not pushing my religion on anyone else. I believe we owe this great country the allegence that it deserves. My forefathers died so I could have the rights I have. Respect the country, and don't have political debates about whether or not the country that gave you all your very rights deserves your allegence.

The word god doesn't signify the christian belief (maybe you shouldn't be so narrow minded and ignorant and not just assume things, learn them as well)


Like I said in my last post, God is any ominiscient creator.


ps. this country is sue happy, anything to make a quick buck.

[obsolete898]

Yes this country is based on the morals of christain people, that's it. Most religions have similar morals any way. What I am saying is that when you put phrases like "In God We Trust" and the like you are giving the perception that the government endorses a certain religion, which is wrong by the constitution. The government needs to remain impartial in the ways of religion. Now I firmly belive that you should pledge your allegiance to this country, but not by way of a diety you don't belive in. Make it simple and take the line out, what harm does that do.

I don't think it should be changed, but if there are people that feel it infringes on thier religious rights, I see no problem in eliminating it.

Micro your posts are going the way of being insulting.

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by obsolete898
Yes this country is based on the morals of christain people, that's it. Most religions have similar morals any way. What I am saying is that when you put phrases like "In God We Trust" and the like you are giving the perception that the government endorses a certain religion, which is wrong by the constitution. The government needs to remain impartial in the ways of religion. Now I firmly belive that you should pledge your allegiance to this country, but not by way of a diety you don't belive in. Make it simple and take the line out, what harm does that do.

I don't think it should be changed, but if there are people that feel it infringes on thier religious rights, I see no problem in eliminating it.

Micro your posts are going the way of being insulting.

You're going the way of being insulting. You're being plain ignorant. I gave you the defintion of god, yet you're too narrow minded to see that 'God' doesn't signify JUST the catholic religion. You go on with your little illusion.

Run along.

my rant.

[obsolete898]

I believe we owe this great country the allegence that it deserves. My forefathers died so I could have the rights I have. Respect the country, and don't have political debates about whether or not the country that gave you all your very rights deserves your allegence.

One, I'm not debating wether or not we should pledge our allegiance(read my posts and you'll find how I feel.

Two, don't give me your little speech on oweing this country something or having respect for this country. I'm the one with the gun defending it right now, so please relize that all you TALK about oweing and respect is over shadowed by my daily routine of putting my uniform on.

The word god doesn't signify the christian belief (maybe you shouldn't be so narrow minded and ignorant and not just assume things, learn them as well)

If this country was based in the beliefs of the bible then that would mean God in the PoA is the Christian god. At any rate when you say God it has the conotaion of the Christian God. This is becaus eother religions call him by a diferant name.

Also what about the people that don't belive in God, where do they fit in.

[obsolete898]

Ignorant means I would know nothing about the topic. Having gone to Catholic schools my whole life and taking many theology classes, I would have to say that i would know what I was talking about.

[langrage]

Well the PoA was put into effect in 1942 and the phrase "under God" in 1954 by Congress. So basically 12 years we recited it and didn't say "God". So it will not be just totally dropped from the morning ritual.

Also the man stated that he didn't feel that his daughter should have to hear it. As stated earlier you don't have to recite the PoA just stand if you do not believe in it. The fact that he was afraid that it would cause damage to his daughter by hearing it I found ridiculous. His daughter better never be near me when I am upset. I cuss like a teacher uses chalk. That in my opinion would be damaging.

Smokers I also suggest you don't smoke near his daughter, he might try and sue you for trying to kill her with second hand smoke.

[Thordic]

While I do agree that Californians are as a whole way too uppity, and I wouldn't be all too upset if I woke up one morning to find out the whole state fell into the ocean (Sarah, you are allowed to be on vacation then :) ), I do think its kinda funny that the OTHER side of the arguement gets so upset when the words "Under God", as langrage noted, were NOT part of the original wording. They were added later on by Eisenhower.

Let the agnostics run the country. Christians and athiests are on a whole way too militant. Agnostics just don't care :)

[Kaiser Bob]

Yes using the very word God already discriminates against those that believe in the absence of a god. Now those who says the Supreme Court will overturn this right away, its not going to be THAT cut and dry. If anyone has read the articles, you would see Congress's outrage. Well of course! Some have said themselves taking the wrong side would cost you next election season, so you will see that behaving in the interest of the MAJORITY of their voters. Now the Supreme Court obviously dosent have that same burden, and in recent times has gone the way of the strictest definition of the Constitution, as to avoid really bad decisions that had popular backing (Plessy v Ferguson, Dred Scott v Sanford). So the Supreme Court is going to have to consider the minority rights in this case, and in the strictest sense, the phrase does violate the Establishment clause of the First Amendmant, just like the currency might. Regardless, this looks to be a contriversial case that will make the history books.

[than205]

I choose to believe that the term "God" used in any government document I have ever read is the generic and non-specific god. (my opinion is that ole Ben Franklin had something to do with this)
I have yet to read any government document that mentions Jesus Christ or any other specific deity or prophet.

[ThePatriot]

Originally posted by MicrOMag
]The word god doesn't signify the christian belief (maybe you shouldn't be so narrow minded and ignorant and not just assume things, learn them as well)


Like I said in my last post, God is any ominiscient creator.


ps. this country is sue happy, anything to make a quick buck.

Well, i could say you are q u e e r(sorry mods but the stupid filter was going off and sensoring it, i am not attacking any individual person so i think its ok), sure the definition of the word means an odd outlook on life, or something to that extent. However, in this society today it means you are a homosexual, sure a lot of people do not agree with it, but thats how it is. I believe most of the country sees the word god as referring to the christian god.

[obsolete898]

I thought I was all alone for awhile there.

[ThePatriot]

Nope, i didnt get around to reading the post yet, you know me im always getting in trouble on AO Also, with my sig how could i not join in.

[obsolete898]

It's funny I'm Christian, but I usually agree with athiests(sp) and disagree with Christians. It's pretty ironic.