The Pledge of Allegiance Unconstituitonal

[ThePatriot]

Some people just think like that, I believe you said you went to catholic school, had you not you probably would be an atheist right now. However, all those years of Catholic school made you christian, an atheist stuck in a christian's body, or perhaps a christian, stuck in an atheist body, who knows?

[Kaiser Bob]

I still say its technically unconstitutional.

[obsolete898]

No the Catholic schools made me less religious. If I went to public school I'd probally be more religious.

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by ThePatriot


Well, i could say you are q u e e r(sorry mods but the stupid filter was going off and sensoring it, i am not attacking any individual person so i think its ok), sure the definition of the word means an odd outlook on life, or something to that extent. However, in this society today it means you are a homosexual, sure a lot of people do not agree with it, but thats how it is. I believe most of the country sees the word god as referring to the christian god.

Yeah, but thats just because you ASSUME. You do know what they say about assuming, right?

[obsolete898]

Well he would ASSUME correctly, if a society uses a word a certain way then most people will understand it that way.

If you went to England and someone asked if you had a *** what would you say webster.

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by obsolete898
Well he would ASSUME correctly, if a society uses a word a certain way then most people will understand it that way.

If you went to England and someone asked if you had a *** what would you say webster.

I would say, nope, sorry don't smoke...
And I'm just gonna stay out of this thread because I will probably get this thread closed...

[ThePatriot]

I do not think that this thread will get closed as of now. No one person is being insulted, and there isnt a question of religious beliefs, more an argument over a law. I could understand if this was abortion or something, but the PoA isnt that controversial an issue in today's society.

[steveg]

I think one point is being missed in the seperation of church and state debate.

The main objective of seperating church and state was the protection of the state, not church.

The world at the time was just emerging from a long period of less than benign rule by the church.

Perhaps one of you historians can confirm this,but I thought that there was a lot of resistance to including
the phrase "in god we trust" on currency.

Final thoughts. Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion.

Do you really need to constantly repeat the PoA to know that you are a good citizen?

[than205]

Yes, you do.

[steveg]

Yes, you do.

Please explain, As A 43 year old Canadian who feels that I have been a good citizen of my Country
I have never had to publicly proclaim my loyalty. we do not have an equivalent pledge

P.S. I ask out of curiousity not because I want to change
anyones mind or impose my point of view

[Havoc_online]

I'm just curious, what is your country's pledge?

Do you really need to constantly repeat the PoA to know that you are a good citizen?

The sad part of the matter is that most people even though they know the words and say it all the time, don't know what it means or what there are saying when they say it, I mean really understand what it is to pledge yourself to your country. I think americans should say it and should really take it to heart, with all my country has done for me, I'm sometimes very sorry and have a lot of guilt for not doing or giving anything back(armed forces).

[steveg]

Havoc, other than for new citizens we don't really have one.

[than205]

I think we in the US forget what it is to live in the US and how important it should be. It's funny that I'm writing this. Politically, I'm very moderate. But I feel everyone makes a stand somewhere. I believe that the PoA is and should always be a personal affirmation of living in the US. We get caught up in the daily BS and forget all the things that came before and is going on right now.
Honestly, I'm not going to force anyone to even stand during the PoA. But out of respect to a whole gambit of things, I ask that people be quiet and endure a few seconds.

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by RT_Luver



well I have a VERY good friend that is muslim and ahve talked to him about it several times and from what I understand Allah is their God. they just dont refer to him as "God". they also believe in Jesus, they just believe he was a prophet I think. I'm just gathering this informatin form what I have heard in about 5 conversatins with him about his reliegion. som I'm not a Muslimresearcher or nuttin. I'm just try to clear it up the way that I was told from him

what i heard similar to that is that all those guys were prohpets the difference is that allah was the last prophet for the muslims and jeebus was the last for the christians


and no jeebus isnt canadian

[steveg]

than, I agree with your sentiment entirely Every day I wake up, look at the news and say to myself
"thank (non-denominational )god that I live in Canada!"