The Pledge of Allegiance Unconstituitonal

[Havoc_online]

IMHO the U.S. as a world leader should have better than average internal high values of itself, ppl need to show that we are happy with where we are because of the few who put us here and we will back our country full. Sadly, the few who do it don't get treated with as much admiration as they should and the ppl as a whole expect all while not having to give any. The country asks someone to pledge themself to it and they say it's too much.

[TooDamnSweet]

The sad part of the matter is that most people even though they know the words and say it all the time, don't know what it means or what there are saying when they say it, I mean really understand what it is to pledge yourself to your country. I think americans should say it and should really take it to heart, with all my country has done for me, I'm sometimes very sorry and have a lot of guilt for not doing or giving anything back(armed forces).

Very Good Point!


The Pledge of Allegiance

[irbodden]

Originally posted by obsolete898


But by having the words under god implies an affiliation to a christian religion. Why can't it say "One nation under Allah". There are muslims here.

Sigh-

Don't bother cluttering this thread if you have NO clue what your talking about. Allah means GOD in Arbic, and literally refers to the same God Christians believe in.

[wyn1370]

I think the best part about this mess is the reaction of some people. The poor man has had obscene phone calls, had to pull his daughter out of school for fear of her safety and even death threats.
The man trys to make a point and gets a bunch of whack jobs after him.

[ThePatriot]

Just like there are extremist muslims, there are also extremist christians. Down here in Florida, once people found out my beliefs(displayed in my sig) i could say a good 10-20 people i knew stopped talking to me. Some people...getting mad at another for their religion, they are no better than Hitler. The man had a good point.


I apologize for posting earlier its not like its a big issue, i was ignorant in thinking if i didnt know about it, it wasnt a big deal. I just saw on the news today about the incident, i havent watched the news recently, i apologize.

[Miscue]

Redefine the dictionary meaning of God. Add a second definition that has nothing to do with religion. Declare that all references to God fall under that meaning.

Personally, I think all this is a waste of time... a fight over semantics.

[shartley]

Personally, I think all this is a waste of time... a fight over semantics.

[obsolete898]

Don't bother cluttering this thread if you have NO clue what your talking about. Allah means GOD in Arbic, and literally refers to the same God Christians believe in.

Really, does it, thanks for pointing that out. I know that, but do you hear american muslims praying to GOD, no they pray to ALLAH. Because that is the word they have for thier god. You obviously are missing the point of what I am saying.

Here I'll clear this up. Muslims use the word Allah as a name for thier god. I do not mean that Allah is some other guy roaming around. So my conclusion is if you hear certain terms MOST people automatically think of certain things.

Allah-Muslim
Yaweh-Judaism
Zeus-Greek Mythos
*G*od-Christian religions.

Like I said before I do know a thing or two about modern religions, please don't tell me I have no clue.


Also if Allah is the same god as the Christian God then were's the referance's to jesus and the holy spirit in the muslim religion. Oh, there isn't so it can't be the same god, cause (I think protestant is differant) in Catholasism a God, Jesus, the holy spirit are one (trinity).

[irbodden]

First off the trinity exsists in Protestantism, secondly Muslims believe in the same "God" as Christians. However they believe the Bible has been tampered with over the years and they have the correct version. Allah ISN'T their god's name it is how they SAY god. For hispanics, is dios god? No- it's just how they say it in THEIR language.

And YES their IS a refrence to Jesus in the Koran, Muslims believe he was a disciple of God, and NOT his son.

I'll say it again you have NO clue what your talking about. Islam branched off of Christianity.

[shartley]

[wyn1370]

if you two keep arguing this way you are going to get the thread closed. The discussion is about the PoA.
There are many different statements in this post that I would love to debate, but that type of discussion is not allowed on AO for obvious reasons. So keep it on the subject.

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by obsolete898
Ignorant means I would know nothing about the topic. Having gone to Catholic schools my whole life and taking many theology classes, I would have to say that i would know what I was talking about.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about because you still are too ignorant to accept the TRUE connotation of what god means.

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by obsolete898


Really, does it, thanks for pointing that out. I know that, but do you hear american muslims praying to GOD, no they pray to ALLAH. Because that is the word they have for thier god. You obviously are missing the point of what I am saying.

Here I'll clear this up. Muslims use the word Allah as a name for thier god. I do not mean that Allah is some other guy roaming around. So my conclusion is if you hear certain terms MOST people automatically think of certain things.

Allah-Muslim
Yaweh-Judaism
Zeus-Greek Mythos
*G*od-Christian religions.

Like I said before I do know a thing or two about modern religions, please don't tell me I have no clue.


Also if Allah is the same god as the Christian God then were's the referance's to jesus and the holy spirit in the muslim religion. Oh, there isn't so it can't be the same god, cause (I think protestant is differant) in Catholasism a God, Jesus, the holy spirit are one (trinity).

You're wrong. I agree with what shartley and the other guys just posted. You aren't grasping the concept that the word God does not just apply to catholics. That is being ignorant.

Back to the discussion, no matter what religion you believe in, if you live in this country you should pledge your allegance to it. End of story.

[AngelBoy]

I know I'm late coming into this so I'm gonna say some stuff about points made on the first page too.

About prayer in schools: Silent prayer is still prayer. Nobody (including the teacher) would have to stand up and pray out loud. If there are people that dont believe in God(no matter how they spell it) then they could just simply be quiet and wish and hope for things.

Alla, God, and all those other names are just G-o-d in other languages. Do Muslims believe that if they call Alla "God" that it won't mean the same thing?(That really is a question, I want to know).

Is it really that big of a deal to say "under God"? If you are Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Christian, or anything else that believes in "God" then they can just mean it in whatever way they believe. As for the pmes that don't believe in anyone or anything, does it really bother or hurt you to say "under God"? If it does then shouldn't it bother you to say "Oh God!", "God D(figure it out)", or "Thank God"?

[Kaiser Bob]

As ive said before, 'God' does indeed imply monotheism and therefore excludes polytheists and those that believe there is no God. These people dont have to say the PoA, correct. But then you are saying they cant affirm their government/nation unless they state a differing religous belief. That is wrong, that is why the establishment clause is there and that is why it is technically unconstitutional.