Import cars, or domestic?

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

WELL, sadly, I do have to admit, in the corners, CRX's and Miata's and other tiny cars do outdo most cars in the turns. A group of guys in the Ferrari Club race CRX;s and they pass all the Ferrari's in the turns. If you try to keep up with them in the turns you will spin. Actually, sometimes when we rent the track we'll let other cars come out if it's a smaller event. If it's a lare event (they have a HUGE one in November) then you can't come unless you are with someone in the Ferrari club or if you want to watch.
Good point about the supra engines, BUT just because it turns over big numbers doesn't mean it's worthy in the corners.

oh, and BTW, that supra video is pretty amazing, and that supra for 70k, well, let me just say, i'm impressed

[joez]

wow, i am sorry i am joining this late. where to begin.

Mercedes and Jags are domestic buddy....

umm, no. mo they are not. oh, and jag, is 51% owned by FORD, and guess what, built in euro land.

The rotary sux, do you need me to repeat that, it SUX!! Sure its great when it runs but most (turbo) down here in the south dont make it past 100k miles.

and you are smoking what? do you think the 60's muscle cars ran forever. NO. you were lucky to get 60K out of them. the only thing wrong with the rotary engine is the seals. you replace those when nescissary, it will run to 300K miles. it has 2 main moving parts, and is far superior in power to weight ration.

there is so much to comment on here it isnt even funny, but i am going to have to agree with this

Seriously who cares a car is a car and half the people arguing dont even have one yet and would take any car offered them. For the rest of you argh this is like arguing with someone over which pball gun is better. In the end your both pballers what does it matter that u shoot a Xmag and he shoots an angel IR3. God I am so sick of these threads.

what i have read is all of your OPINIONS. who cares whos car is faster. you know what my truck runs in the quarter mile. 22.6 seconds at 52 mph. so here, you all have faster cars than me. i am so sick of people comparing civics to vettes. they are not even close to each other. thats it, i am done.

you people want to compare close cars. how bout the taurus and the accord? or the civic to its competitor, an escort. you want to put a camaro up against something, then compare it to TT supra. you cannt compare an s-7 to an supra, you want to compare it to something, how bout an f-1. at least equal them out before you talk about all these mods and crap needed to make it fast.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG


Um, excuse me, I am an Italian, and if you maintain a Ferrari correctly and do the scheduled maintanences, they won't break on you.

First learn how to spell supra, next i know alot about cars. And ferraris one of of them, they are unreliable please dont even give me that crap. The reason why you have to maintain them all the time is because if you dont its going to run like crap. Give me a break, you shouldnt have to take any car every month to get something fixed or checked up on. Its a car for gosh sakes your suppose to be able to get in and get on with your life especially when im paying 250,000 $ for a friggin car. Now not every single FERRARI is going to break down, but for the most part there is a 50/50 chance of getting a bad apple. Now this is not from fact or direct info this is from what i read about the cars. Dont get me wrong Ferraris are extremely beutiful cars, and exceptionally engineered but still. As for the race track argument, i wouldnt cross you fingers on that, supras handle well even though its about 3200 pound car throwing around the turns its a good car. Drive good around the corners and ill beat you in the straightaways

[giblit]

wow... joez has made more sence then most of you throughout this entire thread. he is right. compare something in its own price range. its like comparing copper to gold, worth different amounts.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by *ArKfEaR*


First learn how to spell supra, next i know alot about cars. And ferraris one of of them, they are unreliable please dont even give me that crap. The reason why you have to maintain them all the time is because if you dont its going to run like crap. Give me a break, you shouldnt have to take any car every month to get something fixed or checked up on. Its a car for gosh sakes your suppose to be able to get in and get on with your life especially when im paying 250,000 $ for a friggin car. Now not every single FERRARI is going to break down, but for the most part there is a 50/50 chance of getting a bad apple. Now this is not from fact or direct info this is from what i read about the cars. Dont get me wrong Ferraris are extremely beutiful cars, and exceptionally engineered but still. As for the race track argument, i wouldnt cross you fingers on that, supras handle well even though its about 3200 pound car throwing around the turns its a good car. Drive good around the corners and ill beat you in the straightaways

sigh, lets see:
1) I never misspelt supra
2) Where do you get your numbers there is a 50/50 chance of getting a bad apple on a Ferrari. Last November they had a FCA Meet and 40 Ferrari's showed up, only two broke and that was because one ran out of gas, and one blew a tire.
3) If I'm faster in the corners, I'm faster on the track. The speeds are not that much differnt where you will make up lost time on the straightaway. Over here, it's a 2.5mi track, straightaway isn't even 1/4 mi.
4) You don't have to get a scheduled maintainence once a month. You get them done at 5k miles, 15k miles, 30k miles, and 75k miles. 30k miles will probably be twice as much as you put on the car in 2 years. And don't give me **** ferrari's break, anything pushing 20 psi of boost is gonna have to get rebuilt at least every 3 years. Ferrari engines don't have to be rebuilt until like 100k miles or so, which is very rare for a ferrari to have that many miles.

I don't know where you get your info, but it's wrong. Why don't you spend a little time on http://www.ferrarichat.com. I admit I don't know much about supras, but don't pretend you know **** about Ferrari's if you don't.

[shartley]

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by *ArKfEaR*


Supras witht he right modifications can exeed 1000+ HP my friend. There some street supras out there with 1000 HP that will be able to hand just about any cars *** out there it needs including though. They also handle great too, if you wanna go on a track just dont have it on full boost. For the most part supras are the all around package although they are indeed quite heavy.

Now dont get me wrong that im ONLY a supra monger and do not have any interest in other cars. Ferraris are sweet but hey there made by Italians (if you are you will understand what i mean) they make the car real nice but they dont finish hence why Ferraris always break down. They are just Unrealiable cars...

Check out this bad boy (only about 70 K with everything) and it could take ever car on the street. http://www.suprastore.com/supow19blac6.html

Much much more than half as much as a ferrari and personally i love the sound of a turbo. Check this vid:

http://highboost.com/movies/hks_ti_t66.mpg

Well I'm not gonna jump into this because I'm a Drag racer and that's all that really matters to me. But I would like to add something about Supra's. Don't get me wrong, I love the Supra they are some bad mofo's. The only problem I have with them is in your first link.

Over 900hp and it only runs a 10.5. I've seen alot Dyno queen supras. How bout putting that on the ground and run low 9's like you should. His traps are there but he ain't putting it down on the launch. Either no traction or he doesn't spool up do get a launch that a 140mph trap speed car should have. Either way that's the big problem I have with them. I know with 900hp I'd have my 3600lbs car in the low 9's.

[tryme96Z]

Originally posted by obsolete898


Well I'm not gonna jump into this because I'm a Drag racer and that's all that really matters to me. But I would like to add something about Supra's. Don't get me wrong, I love the Supra they are some bad mofo's. The only problem I have with them is in your first link.

Over 900hp and it only runs a 10.5. I've seen alot Dyno queen supras. How bout putting that on the ground and run low 9's like you should. His traps are there but he ain't putting it down on the launch. Either no traction or he doesn't spool up do get a launch that a 140mph trap speed car should have. Either way that's the big problem I have with them. I know with 900hp I'd have my 3600lbs car in the low 9's.

That is just how supras are. I here it all the time. They have the ponies but when they get up there in ponies(700+) they seem to have it on the dyno but at the track(1/4 mile) it doesnt show. I think supras are sweet though.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by obsolete898

Over 900hp and it only runs a 10.5. I've seen alot Dyno queen supras. How bout putting that on the ground and run low 9's like you should. His traps are there but he ain't putting it down on the launch. Either no traction or he doesn't spool up do get a launch that a 140mph trap speed car should have. Either way that's the big problem I have with them. I know with 900hp I'd have my 3600lbs car in the low 9's.

Yep... one of the fastest street supras in the world runs only (heh only) 9s but the drag racing ones are a different story.

Also Pro mag, about the 20 psi boost comment, the 2JZ-GTE Engine was a terrificly built engine it can handle those pressures fine. Even though im sure there have been cases where people have had trouble with their engines at high boost but for the most part i would say a Supra sadly with 1000 HP will be more reliable.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by *ArKfEaR*



Yep... one of the fastest street supras in the world runs only (heh only) 9s but the drag racing ones are a different story.

Also Pro mag, about the 20 psi boost comment, the 2JZ-GTE Engine was a terrificly built engine it can handle those pressures fine. Even though im sure there have been cases where people have had trouble with their engines at high boost but for the most part i would say a Supra sadly with 1000 HP will be more reliable.

Handle it fine eh? What about pistons 1 and 6?

[rhetor22]

About the VW being high quality remark...

My mother owned a 98 (i think) VW bug. That was by far the biggiest POS i have ever seen in my life. My damn riding mower had finer craftsmanship than that stamped sheetmetal pile of junk.

The car had rear seats. The rear window was the same height as the rear headrests, rendering rear seats useless for anyone above 2.5ft tall.

The glove compartment didn't close right. You know why? Instead of making a metal bracket for the latch to engage, they drilled holes into the side of the plastic dash. Smart engineering, cuz it's cheap and gets the job done. BUT IT SUCKS.

My mom now owns a VW passat wagon. Horribly crappy car. You get in and you say wow this car feels great! The sheetmetal that the body made of is the worst assembly of recycled Cambels soup cans i have ever seen in my life. I could poke holes in the damn thing with my finger. The sheetmetal on my F-150 weighs more than that whole damn VW.

Buttons get stuck inside their holes.

The engine. Oh boy. It's got that 1.8L turbo.

Now before anyone looks up how much hp that engine makes and yells at me, i'll tell you this, 140hp out of 1.8L is not the same as 140hp out of 4.9L.

This engine sucks balls. It is slow as hell. You need to romp on the gas, and before the turbo kicks in, there is no power. Once the turbo kicks in, and the kid on the bicycle passes you, there is still no power. Granted it's a station wagon. The thing is, the turbo is whining like a *****, and the thing is roaring like a 30 year old lawn mower.

The handling. The tires are 3 inches wide. Thats all you need to know.

The braking. It says power brakes... i don't think thats true.

Its nice that the steering wheel squeeks when you turn it, thats a great touch. really.

You know what else pisses me off? They put the damn digital clock inside of the instrument panel! The only person that can read the time is the driver!

Another great thing- the sound system. You turn it on and it lets you know what a marvelous piece of engineering greatness it is by saying "monsoon". It sounds like the factory system of a 1987 Honda Del-sol was left in the downpour of an Asian monsoon, then hit by a herd of overweight dumptrucks. This thing sucks. It even has seperate tweeters and still sucks. What the hell.

I go to open the door, it feels like the handle is going to come off. This car is a giant POS.


You ever wonder where that plastic from the bottle returns is goin? You're driving it.

[rhetor22]

AND ANOTHER THING!

why is it everyones goal to look up the technical manufacturers model number on every damn engine ever made? It's like only the elite supra building champions of planet earth contain enough knowledge to memorize some arbitrary arangement of numbers and letters. holy crap.

And also, comparing your completely built 900hp+ supra to a stock ferrari is just stupid. The fact that you even make that comparison just weakens your arguement!

If i had $2000 i could make my 1981 12hp Gravely riding mower faster than that damn supra.

Hell i could do it with zero dollars, and make it faster than any car on the road! All i need is a cliff!

And what the hell is up with the voting poll options?!?

Import is labeled integra, civic, etc.

Domestic is just labeled domestic.

What the hell?! integra and civic vs. the entire line of American cars? And i hope he doesn't mean american sports cars, cuz i hate to burst your bubble, but a civic is an economy car! Some people are simply stupid!

holy crap it amazes me how pissed off i get when i see a damn eclipse pass on the right that's modeled right after the fast & furious car! WOW, not only do you drive a cheap economy car with great gas mileage, but you're too stupid to admit it! Of course you could've used that money to make something original or comfortable, but you just copied a movie! GOOD JOB!

I'm cool.

[GT]

Originally posted by joez
the only thing wrong with the rotary engine is the seals. you replace those when nescissary, it will run to 300K miles. it has 2 main moving parts, and is far superior in power to weight ration.

opps sorry try again,
why do the FD boys do V8 swaps, reliability? Its more than just Apex seals. Rotary sux, plain and simple. There is a big difference bewteen yester years muscle cars and the current performance. For one thing a fully built motor didnt cost 10k.


Shartly if this were only true today. THe current import or small displacemtn motor is campable of high hp and low mantience. We have a 12 sec 6th gen civic full interior, a/c, p/s that gets over 30 mpg's and runs low 12's on pump gas . Yea he still has to change the oil every 3k miles, I guess his big mantience issue is tires

Over 900hp and it only runs a 10.5. I've seen alot Dyno queen supras. How bout putting that on the ground and run low 9's like you should. His traps are there but he ain't putting it down on the launch. Either no traction or he doesn't spool up do get a launch that a 140mph trap speed car should have. Either way that's the big problem I have with them. I know with 900hp I'd have my 3600lbs car in the low 9's.

Very true,
differnce is in a supra once you get off the track you can drive it home. Just about everything else is a trailer queen plus with just about any domestic its geared so low you cant break 130mph. I got an idea next time you race a 11 sec supra, take a car with you that runs 9's. now lineup and play who gets to 175mph fastest

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by gtrsi


opps sorry try again,
why do the FD boys do V8 swaps, reliability? Its more than just Apex seals. Rotary sux, plain and simple. There is a big difference bewteen yester years muscle cars and the current performance. For one thing a fully built motor didnt cost 10k.




Shartly if this were only true today. THe current import or small displacemtn motor is campable of high hp and low mantience. We have a 12 sec 6th gen civic full interior, a/c, p/s that gets over 30 mpg's and runs low 12's on pump gas . Yea he still has to change the oil every 3k miles, I guess his big mantience issue is tires




Very true,
differnce is in a supra once you get off the track you can drive it home. Just about everything else is a trailer queen plus with just about any domestic its geared so low you cant break 130mph. I got an idea next time you race a 11 sec supra, take a car with you that runs 9's. now lineup and play who gets to 175mph fastest

There are plenty of daily driven LS1's in the 10's. A few in the 9'2. Like I said before the track is what matters to me. Racing to 175 on the road is kinda dumb in my book.

Although hitting the speed limiter in my car is kinda fun, 163.

[joez]

i wasnt just talking race, i mean in general.

Rotary sux, plain and simple

i tell you what, you go built a piston engine of the same displacement, and the same weight, and we will see how much power it puts out. it wont even be close to the rotary in that aspect. rotory engines are a great idea, and could theoretically have almost no redline. that would be why they are poping up more and more in sammurai's in the off road world. huge power for their size, and simplicity.