The French are Evil!

[shartley]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
We are all human beings after all.....

You keep up with that kind of talk and you will really start to piss me off!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Did the US have the bomb at the time of Berlin? How many Bombs could Germany produce if they even could get one done.

We had it 3 months later. As I said against the Germans the war would have drug on so that we would have had it DURINg the war then.

The Soviets ended up recouping them time and time again.
What? This makes no sense.

As for D-Day I think Inchon was better, but that is IMO.
Are you sure you want to give an American army credit? Didn't the Soviets do it better?


As for the Soviet Counter-Offensive, AM is quite right. Had the German Generals run the war and not that moron Hitler, ther Germans might have forced the Soviets to sue for peace. Hitler made the same mistake Napolean did. He underestimated the Russian winter and overestimated his supply lines. The Soviets did not beat the Germans as much as they wore them down. Again without Allied bombing of Germany, the Germans would have been able to keep their armies supplied!

Also, when I stated that no nation could stand against nuclear annihilation, I meant no nation. Had the Soviets nuilt the bomb first and had the bombers to deliver it, do you think they would have stopped in Berlin? I think not. MAD prevented WWIII, nothing else.

[m-98]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You just made my point. We never had to invade Japan! A little death from above and boom they surrendered. I do not want to minimize the Army and Marines, but you can not win a war without air power!

Russia had none until the very end of the war when they flew copies of allied planes. It was American bombers and Fighters that took the fight to the heart of Germany first and hardest! Without knocking out the German industrial might, the Germans would have had the Atom bomb. Do you think Russia could have survived being nuked repeatedly?

First, I said that air power alone could not win a war. Alone is the key word there. Also air power has never won a single war by itself.

Second, we could not have nuked Japan without the Marines. What I mean is that we needed an air base from which we could launch the B-29 that bombed Japan. The Marines got us that air base.

Third, Russia did have its own planes and airforce but most of their pilots were killed in combat.

Fourth, German production actually increaced during our bombing. After we bombed a target the Germans would quickly rebuild it and we would not attack that spot again, so no serious damage was done.

Fifth, the Germans were not as enthusiastic about building the a-bomb as we were, and anyway, their scientists were not given the things that were needed to research and construct a nuke. IF Germany did have the bomb we would have nuked them if they used it.

[m-98]

There is something that I want to clear up.

The Germans were never close to getting a nuclear bomb. There was talk of getting to Berlin 1st in this thread and one of the reasons that the Russians got there first was so they could start their own atomic bomb with captured German Uranium.

Let's see how much you all really know...

Who bombed the United States in WWII?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by m-98
There is something that I want to clear up.

The Germans were never close to getting a nuclear bomb. There was talk of getting to Berlin 1st in this thread and one of the reasons that the Russians got there first was so they could start their own atomic bomb with captured German Uranium.

Uhm, yes the Germans were close. They were focusing on building a heavy water bomb. That project was destroyed by scandanavian resistance when they sunk the ferry carrying the bulk of Germany's heavy water supply in the fiords or either Norway, Sweden, or Denmar, I can't remember which. The Germans were also very close to building a "dirty" bomb. The Soviets did not obtain any of the German Uranium and most of the Germans scientists surrendered to the allies for a reason. Remember, the Soviets obtained nuclear weapons through American Traitors!


Let's see how much you all really know...

Who bombed the United States in WWII?

In a traditional sense, no one bombed the US. The Japanes launched balloon bombs in an attempt to hit the continental US. Less then a dozen reached America resulting in 1 fatality. If you are referring to US possessions, the the Japanese bombed the hell out of a bunch of them!

[1stdeadeye]

Close

Originally posted by m-98


First, I said that air power alone could not win a war. Alone is the key word there. Also air power has never won a single war by itself.

Second, we could not have nuked Japan without the Marines. What I mean is that we needed an air base from which we could launch the B-29 that bombed Japan. The Marines got us that air base.

As I said before, I did not want to marginalize the marines and army. Air power was the decisive factor in WWII. It proved the power of the plane. It spelled the end to navies as we new them and heralded the death of the battleship!

Third, Russia did have its own planes and airforce but most of their pilots were killed in combat.

They had no medium or long range bombers. Their airforce was clones of existing allied planes. The allies supplied them with designs and training. The SOVIETS could not have reached Germany with their air force as it was built around supporting their armies, not offensive strikes.

Fourth, German production actually increaced during our bombing. After we bombed a target the Germans would quickly rebuild it and we would not attack that spot again, so no serious damage was done.

Some German production increased (Fighters, V1, V2), but most was devastated (tanks, Ammunition, fuel). The bombing of the German war machine destroyed Germany. Ask Dresden! The bombing and fighters destroyed the infrastructure as well. At the end of the war, Germany had no means to resupply their armed forces. Roads, Bridges, train lines all bombed to destruction. The bombing targeted everything and you must look at it as such.

Fifth, the Germans were not as enthusiastic about building the a-bomb as we were, and anyway, their scientists were not given the things that were needed to research and construct a nuke. IF Germany did have the bomb we would have nuked them if they used it.

Hitler did want the A-Bomb. We beat them to the punch and built it first. Had Hitler built his first, he could have used it on the Soviets and there would not have been a damned thing we could do about it. The German scientists were given almost everything they needed to build Hitler's V(Vengence) weapons. The A-Bomb was to be the ultimate V weapon.

Somebody needs to hit their books a bit harder!

[m-98]

Please fogive the lack of organization.

-Japan sent ballon bombs that hit the west coast.
-Japan also launched a recon plane from a sub, that plane dropped 4 incendiary bombs in the forrests of the west coast, the bombs failed to start any major fires.

-Germany sent a Ju-290 to photograph New York for possible bomb targets.

-both Germany/Japan made bombers specifically to bomb the US but didn't have the time to use them.

btw I'm only in high school and in my history class we did not spend much time on the world wars so I do read a lot about WWII.

I never said that the Russian got uranium I said they got to Berlin 1st to try to get some.

A dirty bomb is not the same as a nuclear bomb.

[m-98]

I forgot to ask this but what was this thread's orriginal topic?

[1stdeadeye]

Close

Originally posted by m-98
Please fogive the lack of organization.

-Japan sent ballon bombs that hit the west coast.
-Japan also launched a recon plane from a sub, that plane dropped 4 incendiary bombs in the forrests of the west coast, the bombs failed to start any major fires.

I said Japan! One of their Balloon bombs actually reached the muidwest and killed 1 person. The only American to die in a continental US bombing in WWII. As for the Sub Planes, they were used at the very end of the war. If I remember correctly, the Japanese made a carrier type sub that carried 3 or four planes. Too little too late!

-Germany sent a Ju-290 to photograph New York for possible bomb targets.

Where did you get this from. During WWII, NO county had a plane that could fly roundtrip from Europe to the US. Not us or Germany or even the USSR!

The Germans were trying to build one, but never finished it!

-both Germany/Japan made bombers specifically to bomb the US but didn't have the time to use them.

Too little too late!

btw I'm only in high school and in my history class we did not spend much time on the world wars so I do read a lot about WWII.

I never said that the Russian got uranium I said they got to Berlin 1st to try to get some.

A dirty bomb is not the same as a nuclear bomb.

1de I'm not going to argue with you because it won't end and you are probably the most knowlegeable person here, and I might lose this argument, but I still know that you are wrong on some things, as am I.

Nobody is right 100% of the time, except CB . If you don't believe me, just ask him!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by m-98
I forgot to ask this but what was this thread's orriginal topic?

The French Government will deal with anyone for a price!

[FactsOfLife]

Re: Close

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Nobody is right 100% of the time, except CB . If you don't believe me, just ask him!

TRUTH.

[Collegeboy]

I am not right 100% of the time as I have said. You just can't expect me to say I am wrong until you can disprove what I am saying.

The original topic of this thread was how stupid the US is for expecting someone to punish the French. Well that is my take on it.

Also, 1de, the USSR got their nuclear materials from the US through Lend Lease.

Even though this guys version of WWII is completely wrong, he did copy and paste the only complete list we have, so just forget he end comments and it is a decent site.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by m-98
1de I'm not going to argue with you because it won't end and you are probably the most knowlegeable person here besides me, and I might lose this argument, but I still know that you are wrong on some things, as am I. [/B]

Oh god that this guy is going to give 1de a really big head! But I must admit that I am glad to participate in a discussion with the towering intellect of two such knowledgable people.

[m-98]

I was tired when I typed that last long one so I don't know what I typed, but now that I read what I did type I realize that it sound stupid.

Germany did send a Ju-290 to New York.
I got some of my information from a book called Dirty Little Secrets of World War II it has some good info, such as the first bomb to hit Leningrad killed only the city zoo's elephant.

[m-98]

I looked through this tread but still saw nothing on the seige of Moscow, someone tell me about it.