The French are Evil!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


You might not have that opinion, but you criticize me for criticizing the US government. So in essence you are saying that no one should criticize the government which entails you think they are always right.

France on Iraq and the US on Israel.

Both cases are examples of one country stopping another country from their version of punishment of another country. Only with the US's case they stop any punishment, at least France said punishment is in order, just a war will not be best for the Iraqi people.

I can not understand how if someone looks at both sides of the issue with an open mind they can come up with the hogwash that you are pushing. I could care less if your opinion differs from mine, but I do care if your opinion is accurately formed and unbiasly (as much as possible) formed.

Are you now saying the US is wrong in its support of Israel? If not then France is not wrong. You can not blame another country saying it is wrong while saying another country do the same thing is right. Simple as that.

As for me being a self-propaganda machine, humorous, you should be a comedian.

[superdesk2007]

Originally posted by CasingBill


Dude, If you think CNN is balanced, you must be high. They just admitted 2 weeks ago that they were not representint war coverage fairly and were holding back on stories. Think again. Fox is definately the best. They're regular news broadcasts are straight out the box and very fair. The other talking head shows in their lineup tell you they are either conservative or liberal. They don't want you to assume shows like O'Reilly and Hannity and Colmes are regular news broadcasts.

OK CNN holds back their stories big deal if fox says something to early and ther're wrong they look pretty stupid

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

That was to show how and why the French have reasons not to like the US. I made that point, it wasn't disproved, so I moved on to the other issue in this thread, the French and their veto. The Vietnam and Germany were again issues stating where the French resent comes from. Get it.

And no it is not childish to show someone their biasness. You all are criticizing France for doing something within their power, yet do not criticize the US. Until you criticize the US you have no leg to stand on when criticizing the French. Get it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


That was to show how and why the French have reasons not to like the US. I made that point, it wasn't disproved, so I moved on to the other issue in this thread, the French and their veto. The Vietnam and Germany were again issues stating where the French resent comes from. Get it.

And no it is not childish to show someone their biasness. You all are criticizing France for doing something within their power, yet do not criticize the US. Until you criticize the US you have no leg to stand on when criticizing the French. Get it.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy



I didn't say you went to Ohio St. I said Bama was equal in ranking to Ohio St. (Now I know how bad you can misread something ).

This is a perfect example of your logic. Why compare Alabama to Ohio State? It makes no sense. No one involved in this debate went there. That's like me saying to you that Maryland has a better BBall program then Auburn. What does that mean to you? Nothing!

I am not debating the US's strategy in WWII. All I am saying is how it looks to the French. How would you feel like if someone told you every day that such and such country saved your butt when you know you were the last thing on their mind.

Did the French not still own Algeria? Hmmm, so we were fighting on French soil right away! :P

I am not bringing up the concentration camp issue again, someone said that Israel hasn't done anything wrong, I just quickly pointed out what they are doing illegal, and what the US has used its power to block any attempts to correct the illegal actions of Israel. Why would Israel ever to the right thing, when the US will be there every time with its veto to stop the UN.

Yet you are bringing this issue into the FRENCH thread !

As for Dienbienphu, I don't recall US bombing the area. I recall the military asking for it, but Ike refused it, but I will check and make sure. I don't recall US advisors there, for the first time the advisors were there was under Kennedy. But again I will check and make sure.

Check Globalsecurity.Org. Ike wanted to use airstrikes. The UN forbade it. The French lost. The U.S. Paid for 80% of the French Military's expenses. We sure did not support them in Vietnam.

[FactsOfLife]

I'm not sure which is worse, criticizing your country for trying to protect it's citizens...

or not criticizing a foreign country that tries to thwart this country from protecting it's citizens.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Oh for the love of........lets not rehash all the same issues. You guys aren't going to get back to the definition of concentration camps are you?

I did not bring that up again, CB did!

The only thing that pisses me off is short sighted people who "love this country". I was listening to experts on the radio today and one of them said that we WILL find weapons of mass destruction and she is sure because she spent alot of time going over the intelligence reports (in her work). Both said, however, that this administration has to get off their collective butts and start repairing relations with our allies. Do you know why they were advocating this?
I am not speaking out of a US: Love it or leave it attitude. The French gave our enemies intelligence that could have led to American Military casualties. This is not the act of an ally. Again I ask, did the US give the German's intelligence on French defenses prior to WWII? No, because allies don't do that!

You 1de as a banker should understand the importance of foriegn investment to our economy. People buy dollars to conduct trade and that benefits our economy. The major international currency used to be pounds sterling but the dollar replaced it and look what happened to the british economy. I'm not saying the Euro is going to replace the dollar but investors that decide to take their money elsewhere will further hurt the economy. Are things going relatively well for the U.S.? Personally I think they are but thumbing our noses at the world is not going to help. Oh I suppose our economy can never take a really hard fall like Germany and Japan? Do you remember when everyone was marveling at the Japanese business model and trying to emulate it? Guess what...things do change. Yes we are still strong economically despite some current issues but does that mean we should count our blessings and try to get everyone back to the state when they were perfectly happy conducting all their business in dollars and didn't let foolish things like their own national pride get in the way.

Don't get me started on the Euro. Not to long ago, it was trading at $0.50 on the dollar. The UNITED STATES arranged a currency swap with the EU to prop up the Euro. We exchanged $500 million in reserves at par value. That means that we basically lent the EU $250 Million to prop up their falling currency. People aren't going to take their money elsewhere. There is no where else to take it. Did you know that Japan is ending their version of FDIC insurance? Treasuries are still the most sought after bond in the world. So much so that the US pulled the 30 year bond last year. New 30 year treasuries are no longer sold and never will be sold again! As for trade, it is very difficult to boycott any countries goods. The international marketplace is dominated by multi-nationals, not governments! You do know that that Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge you may be driving is a German company. That Japanese Toyota was probably built in the USA. 7-11 is a wholly owned subsidiary of 7-11 Japan (the child swalloed the parent). Universal Studios is owned by a French Conglomorate (Viviendi). So your arguement about this issue hurting international trade is mute. It may effect wine sales or some other small niches, but the broader market as a whole is too interdependant to be effected. By the way, Allfirst Bank(MD/DC/VA is Irish),Citizens Bank (NorthEastern Seaboard is part of Royal Bank of Scotland), First Boston (New England is part of Credit Suisse), Bank of New York (New England/NY/NJ is part of Deutche Bank {German}), HSBC (Nationwide is Hong Kong Shanghai Bank), and others are all part of the international game! Don't think that Chirac and Bush fighting will effect these companies decisions or strategies. I could really see Universal leaving Hollywood for Paris!

[Rooster]

"You all chastise the French government for threatening to use its veto to stop the US from attacking Iraq.

But you don't chastise the US for using its veto to stop Israel and their illegal actions.

Sort of a double standard.

The parallel is easy to see if you open your eyes."

LOL too easy. First, the US and France were allies. The US and Israel are allies. The us protects its allies. Now maybe France does the same thing, I guess that makes Iraq France's ally. It doesn't matter how you want to spin it in your little mind, France's goal was to screw the US. Not only did they fail, but now they are going to taste the flames becuase of it.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
I'm not sure which is worse, criticizing your country for trying to protect it's citizens...

or not criticizing a foreign country that tries to thwart this country from protecting it's citizens.

I will anwser the rest when I get back, but this one statement cought the need for a rapid responce.

How is the US protecting its citizens by attacking Iraq. Talk about propoganda.

[1stdeadeye]

On Topic

THIS IS A FRENCH THREAD, NOT A BASH THE USA THREAD!

Either defend or prosecute the case presented. If not, go start your own thread. If we can't stay on topic, I'll just delete this thread or ask the mods to lock it.

*sigh* I guess this is why we can't debate here. Sooner or later the"I know you are, but what am I" post comes.

We were making some good points. Please STOP the Hijacking or else:

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I will anwser the rest when I get back, but this one statement cought the need for a rapid responce.

How is the US protecting its citizens by attacking Iraq. Talk about propoganda.

You are an idiot.

It went without saying that you are guilty of both.

[Collegeboy]

No X, I think you are in a state of denial.

There is no US bashing in this thread.

Why don't you all read back and find out where this whole tangent started about the French not agreeing with the US plans in Iraq. I am pretty sure it started with 1de post calling the French cowards, especially the current generation. The whole thread just went down from there. The idea of this thread was stopped being discussed on page one. You all hijacked it when you brought up other issues with France.

Nothing that we are talking about now is what this thread is about. This thread is about a new peace Fox News showed and hasn't been shown since (or at least I haven't seen it).

Once this thread got to judging France about their opinion that a war will not solve this matter, this thread got off topic and it went from there. If you are bringing in what the French did with Iraq, I can surely bring in what the US does, to show you both sides. You can not judge one side while approving the same action but by another side.

Why don't you answer the question FOL, oh that is right, you like to make stupid comments but never answer the questions? How is the US going into Iraq preventing attacks on US citizens? Please answer.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Why don't you answer the question FOL, oh that is right, you like to make stupid comments but never answer the questions? How is the US going into Iraq preventing attacks on US citizens? Please answer.

No I like to call YOU stupid. My comments are hardly that.

There is a difference. Please try to pay attention next time.

If your state of mind is such that you can't make a SIMPLE connection between Pre-War Iraq being a DIRECT threat to this country, and Post-War Iraq being LESS of a threat to this country then you are hopeless.

Which is about what I've figured about you from day one.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


No I like to call YOU stupid. My comments are hardly that.

There is a difference. Please try to pay attention next time.

If your state of mind is such that you can't make a SIMPLE connection between Pre-War Iraq being a DIRECT threat to this country, and Post-War Iraq being LESS of a threat to this country then you are hopeless.

Which is about what I've figured about you from day one.

Again skating around the question. What is your problem with just answering the question?

When did Iraq ever pose a threat to US civilians?

Actually I think post war Iraq is more dangerous when the fundamentals come to power.

[aaron_mag]

1stdeadeye-

I am not talking about Chirac and Bush fighting further hurting our economy. I am talking about anti-american sentiment hurting our economy. I'm talking about our own arrogance hurting us as well (I won't say undoing because I believe the U.S. in the long run is sound....it has strong natural resources, strong infrastructure, and a strong, trained, and educated work force). Again I am not talking about the administration I am talking about citizens openingly being arrogant with regards to other nations and furthering negative stereotypes that cause ill will. Not to mention that all the posting of French slurs are ridiculous. The French, like any population, are full of diverse individuals and of course don't meet some convenient mold/label that we would like to put on them.