The French are Evil!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
1stdeadeye-

I am not talking about Chirac and Bush fighting further hurting our economy. I am talking about anti-american sentiment hurting our economy. I'm talking about our own arrogance hurting us as well (I won't say undoing because I believe the U.S. in the long run is sound....it has strong natural resources, strong infrastructure, and a strong, trained, and educated work force). Again I am not talking about the administration I am talking about citizens openingly being arrogant with regards to other nations and furthering negative stereotypes that cause ill will. Not to mention that all the posting of French slurs are ridiculous. The French, like any population, are full of diverse individuals and of course don't meet some convenient mold/label that we would like to put on them.

I am saying that the global economy is so interdependant that no amount of flag waving or retoric will disrupt it to a great extant. As for the Euro being the currency of choice, not going to happen. The US could always ask for our $500 million support money back and watch the Euro crumble. However we won't as a stable Euro is in our best interest. All of the trans-atlantic bad will not amount to a hill of beans when the almighty Dollar/Euro/Peso/Etc.. is on the line.

BTW have you seen any of the European Protests? They have been real examples of goodwill and moderation. There are morons on both sides of this issue. We can be just as mean as them!

[aaron_mag]

Yeah and the sun never sets on the British Empire.

To a certain extent I agree with you. As I have stated our country has natural resources, skilled work force, and stable political climate. So of course I don't think that the U.S. is going to slide into the abyss but that doesn't mean the 70s can't come back again (with all that cheap T-1-11 siding construction).

Yes I know about European protests and leaders coming to power by running on a anti-American platform. The question is, however, do we justify their actions by proving that we really ARE arrogant SOBs?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Yeah and the sun never sets on the British Empire.

To a certain extent I agree with you. As I have stated our country has natural resources, skilled work force, and stable political climate. So of course I don't think that the U.S. is going to slide into the abyss but that doesn't mean the 70s can't come back again (with all that cheap T-1-11 siding construction).

The 70's won't happen again. You will never see another Arab oil embargo. The Saudi's have too much invested in the US to lose. We also have a much different money policy in place. Stagflation will not happen again in our life times.

Forget all of our pluses. I am saying that we are all so tied together by money that all of this sabre rattling is meaningless. We came much closer to actual economic blows with Europe over bananas!

Yes I know about European protests and leaders coming to power by running on a anti-American platform. The question is, however, do we justify their actions by proving that we really ARE arrogant SOBs?

Taking the high road is nice, but so is turning the other cheek. Tell you what, maybe I am a typical arrogant SOB American, but if you hit me on the cheek, I'm going to knock you on your butt!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
The 70's won't happen again. You will never see another Arab oil embargo. The Saudi's have too much invested in the US to lose. We also have a much different money policy in place. Stagflation will not happen again in our life times.

Good to know that we never need to worry about another recession in our lifetime. Guess I better go leverage myself to the hilt with all the low interest rates since I don't need to ever worry about an economic downturn ever again.

Taking the high road is nice, but so is turning the other cheek. Tell you what, maybe I am a typical arrogant SOB American, but if you hit me on the cheek, I'm going to knock you on your butt!

Well that is what I would expect. We are a christian nation after all and our response is to exact revenge quickly despite any holy orders to the contrary:). Intellectually, however, the whole anti French trend in the U.S. is pathetic. The average French guy is a human being not dissimilar from ourselves who is working for a living and trying to do the best he can with what he's got. It is the villification of the French as a people that Americans are perfectly willing to support that is disturbing to me. At the same time we get upset when other areas of the world villify our people (whom they do not know, have not met, and do not understand are just people).

Now lets get to the French government. Obviously you can hate a government and their actions. The fact is, however, that you portrayed a shipment of nuclear parts from Germany to Korea on a French ship as some sort of French conspiracy. After reading the article, however, it became apparent that this was likely the criminal actions of individuals rather than some sort of covert government action for the French. Furthermore if we check Fox News now the report says a German was trying to ship to China versus Korea. There is no insinuation in either the first article or the second article that the French were trying to pull a fast one or that they did not give consent to stop the ship that was already underway once they learned there was a problem.

[Rooster]

"Good to know that we never need to worry about another recession in our lifetime. Guess I better go leverage myself to the hilt with all the low interest rates since I don't need to ever worry about an economic downturn ever again."

If you knew the first thing about economics you would know that a ressesion is not the same as stagflation. The business cycle is a reality of a capitalist economy. The economy always wants to push itself to excess, and then is forced to correct. That is the very nature of the free market system. The downturn of the seventies was a catastrophic convergence of coincidences. It is highly unlikely to happen again in our lifetimes.

As far as the boo hoo poor french stuff. Whatever, if you love the french, thats great. I hate every french man and woman who put Chirac in power. They are lower than dirt in my eyes. There is one thing worse than a terrorist, and its not a state enemy, its a backstabbing ally. I hope the French are in dire need of our help soon. So we can laugh at their misfortune, protest their very existance, and block all UN attempts to assist them.

If I ever saw a french man burning a American flag, and he accidently caught himself on fire, I wouldn't even pee on him to put it out.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Rooster


As far as the boo hoo poor french stuff. Whatever, if you love the french, thats great. I hate every french man and woman who put Chirac in power. They are lower than dirt in my eyes. There is one thing worse than a terrorist, and its not a state enemy, its a backstabbing ally. I hope the French are in dire need of our help soon. So we can laugh at their misfortune, protest their very existance, and block all UN attempts to assist them.

If I ever saw a french man burning a American flag, and he accidently caught himself on fire, I wouldn't even pee on him to put it out.

It is glad to know that you value freedom of thought and speech.

How in the world can you say France is backstabbing the US, and not say that the US is back stabbing France? Boo hoo, they don't agree with an illegal invasion, god forbid them from sticking up to the world super power. God forbid them to have an opinion. What do you think that since we are the US, everyone should agree with us, if not they are low life back stabbing idiots.

If I had a penny for every time the US backstabbed a country I would be a trillionaire. Do you hate everyone who put Bush into power for all the backstabbing he is doing?

Come on man grow up, use some common sense, and get over your pitiful hateness.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Good to know that we never need to worry about another recession in our lifetime. Guess I better go leverage myself to the hilt with all the low interest rates since I don't need to ever worry about an economic downturn ever again."

If you knew the first thing about economics you would know that a ressesion is not the same as stagflation. The business cycle is a reality of a capitalist economy. The economy always wants to push itself to excess, and then is forced to correct. That is the very nature of the free market system. The downturn of the seventies was a catastrophic convergence of coincidences. It is highly unlikely to happen again in our lifetimes.

This much is true. Recessions are a fact of life. Feast or famine will always be a part of the business cycle. The recession of the 70's was almost a perfect storm type of recession which gave birth to stagflation (no growth, but huge inflation & high interest rates). It will most likely not be repeated in our lifetimes.

As far as the boo hoo poor french stuff. Whatever, if you love the french, thats great. I hate every french man and woman who put Chirac in power. They are lower than dirt in my eyes. There is one thing worse than a terrorist, and its not a state enemy, its a backstabbing ally. I hope the French are in dire need of our help soon. So we can laugh at their misfortune, protest their very existance, and block all UN attempts to assist them.

I will not go that far. I am disgusted by the French Government. Maybe I should have titled this thread "The French Governement is Evil". Earlier when I called this generation of French Gutless cowards, I should have been more specific. You can not compare Chirac or Mitterand to DeGaulle! I was in France a few years ago for my friends wedding. He is 1/2 French and 1/2 American. I saw France close up. I had a wonderful time. I also saw signs of French Arogance. What do I choose to remember from that trip? A beautiful wedding in a 1200 year old church in a lettle town called Vez about 2 hours outside of Paris. My friend is so upset with Chirac, that he will not admit to being French.

If I ever saw a french man burning a American flag, and he accidently caught himself on fire, I wouldn't even pee on him to put it out.

Hey I would piss all over him!

[aaron_mag]

Well I happen to have a degree in economics (as well as one in history and computer engineering believe it or not). And with my fabulous degree I will now predict the future of the economy.....on the one hand there will be an up turn because of......and on the other hand there will be a down turn because of........ Note that Truman once said that he would like to hire a one handed economist for obvious reasons.

The truth is that the factors in an economy are immense and are difficult to project. Anyone on this board who can claim they can predict it then I'm happy to meet a multi millionaire that predicted the super heated economy of the late 90s but pulled out everything before the fall. If you don't meet the above category then why don't you shut up and quit telling us that this or that will never happen again because of your brilliant knowledge of the future of our markets.

You know my wife and I have some rental properties and we have refinanced all of them recently at the currently low fixed rates. Some bankers tried to get us to go for variable rates because of the reasons you guys stated above (it is unlikely we will see large interest rates plus a no growth interest rates). Great theory but it is hard enough to sleep at night with fixed interest rates sometimes when you worry about the local economy falling apart and renters not being able to find jobs and hence having vacant units. It might sound paranoid but people can lose their shirts in investments. To believe otherwise is foolish.

As for hating every frenchman.....I'm glad that some of you follow propaganda so easily. Next thing we'll be saying they deserve to be in concentration camps. Although I'm glad to see that 1stdeadeye still has a sense of humor about it all.

And....1de's concession to my point that all French are not evil. Okay you may not agree with some of the things their government does but that doesn't mean that every frenchman is a cowardly backstabber. I trust that their are French people out there that would make me run for the hills tail between my legs. Also know there are some French women out there that would inspire a different reaction (I too have been to France ).

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

It is glad to know that you value freedom of thought and speech.

Originally posted by Collegeboy

How in the world can you say France is backstabbing the US, and not say that the US is back stabbing France? Boo hoo, they don't agree with an illegal invasion, god forbid them from sticking up to the world super power. God forbid them to have an opinion. What do you think that since we are the US, everyone should agree with us, if not they are low life back stabbing idiots.

If I had a penny for every time the US backstabbed a country I would be a trillionaire. Do you hate everyone who put Bush into power for all the backstabbing he is doing?

Come on man grow up, use some common sense, and get over your pitiful hateness.

[Collegeboy]

Read the UN charter or the international laws governing how countries operates.

No matter how big you are, or how powerful you are, a country can not just attack and invade another country. Plain and simple. Only the Secretary General can declare a war, and a war can only be declared for self defense reasons. (ie a country gets invaded by another country (Hence why you saw people asking would the UN step in for Iraq, for the US was invading Iraq))

As for Bush backstabbing, I don't believe you are asking for proof of this. Every decision the President of the US makes is backstabbing one person or the other. The US looks out for its interest as well as other countries look out for their interest. They all could care what their allies think as long as their interest is met. And if that means backstabbing your ally, so be it. When Bush went to war he backstabbed every ally of his that is against war, he backstabbed the sanctity of every country who believes in international law, every country that believes in the sanctity of the UN.

I love my country, by not backing the stupid decisions that our stupid president is making doesn't mean I don't back this country, I just don't back its stupid leader in his stupid decisions.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Again skating around the question. What is your problem with just answering the question?

If I wanted to argue with something that doesn't pay attention to me, I'll argue with my dog.

He's a lot smarter than you are. He actually learns his lessons.

It makes zero difference what ANYONE says to you, you'll disagree out of pure inanity.

Your arguments are spurious, your tactics are frankly boring.

Same crap out of you time and again.

Watching paint dry is more rewarding.

[Rooster]

"When Bush went to war he backstabbed every ally of his that is against war, he backstabbed the sanctity of every country who believes in international law, every country that believes in the sanctity of the UN."

This is quite hilarious. The UN made itself irrelevent, the US had no need to help it along that path. It refused to back up its own resolutions (not proposed resolutions, actual resolutions passed and unvetoed) and thus made itself into the world's largest, and most overpaid debating society. Iraq violated the terms of its 1991 ceasefire. This was never in question. 1441 proves it was never in question. You foam at the mouth about illegal wars. I'm sorry to break it to you, but the violation of a ceasefire agreement is a very legal method for waging a war. President Bush backstabbed no one in the procescution of this war. This was no sneak attack. This was an opperation perfectly legal by the standards of international law (if such a thing ever existed without the US enforcing it). I'm not accusing Germany or Russia of the same things I'm accusing France of. France deliberately tried to use any method, including sending diplomats to swing vote countries to try to railroad them into voting with the french. That is not the actions of an ally.

France can burn, and I will laugh. As far as I'm concerned it no longer even exists. Its a shame some of my great uncles had to die in such a worthless place.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Read the UN charter or the international laws governing how countries operates.

No matter how big you are, or how powerful you are, a country can not just attack and invade another country. Plain and simple. Only the Secretary General can declare a war, and a war can only be declared for self defense reasons. (ie a country gets invaded by another country (Hence why you saw people asking would the UN step in for Iraq, for the US was invading Iraq))

As for Bush backstabbing, I don't believe you are asking for proof of this. Every decision the President of the US makes is backstabbing one person or the other. The US looks out for its interest as well as other countries look out for their interest. They all could care what their allies think as long as their interest is met. And if that means backstabbing your ally, so be it. When Bush went to war he backstabbed every ally of his that is against war, he backstabbed the sanctity of every country who believes in international law, every country that believes in the sanctity of the UN.

I love my country, by not backing the stupid decisions that our stupid president is making doesn't mean I don't back this country, I just don't back its stupid leader in his stupid decisions.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


If I wanted to argue with something that doesn't pay attention to me, I'll argue with my dog.

He's a lot smarter than you are. He actually learns his lessons.

It makes zero difference what ANYONE says to you, you'll disagree out of pure inanity.

Your arguments are spurious, your tactics are frankly boring.

Same crap out of you time and again.

Watching paint dry is more rewarding.

Another post and another time that X skates from the issue.

Is this all you know how to do, call people names and try and talk bad about them.

Try coming back with a constructive post that answers my question to you, that you originally posted about.

Are you afraid of answering a question? I have no idea why you would be skating around a simple question unless you know the answer will not be up to your beliefs. Yet you accuse me of not changing my opinion when confronted by differing proved ideas. Yet here is an example of you just refusing to answer the question. Hum, interesting.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

So Iraq was legal in its invasion of Kuwait in 1990. I mean Iraq is a country, and it can decide on its own what it wants to do.

HOW CAN YOU PUNISH SOMEONE FOR BEING AGINST YOU. THAT IS UNAMERICAN, UNDEMOCRATIC, AND PLAIN WRONG.

Shame on you for thinking that a citizen of the US can not point the finger at his own country. that sort of action has lead only to death and destruction through the history of the world.