The French are Evil!

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Those are not opinions based on research, his are opinions based on is hatred, two different things.

And no Aaron, I didn't say the US's contributions in WWII were minimal. I said that without the US help, IMO the Soviets still would have won. They would of suffered ALOT more, took alot longer, but in the end it is my belief they would ahve come out on top.

Also the US did get lucky in WWII. There is no way in the world that the US could have beaten the same germany army that the Soviets put up with.

1de, without materials, plans are useless.

with out materials, men are useless. with out men materials are useless. with out our materials the soviets were usesless...with out there millions our materials were useless... things are lost cause some one failed to do somthing, things are won because everything came together... you win as a team, loose cause you didnt play a team game. they would have fallen with out us and our materials, and we wouldnt have won with out the 2nd front...

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Rebel46_99
Shall we talk about the bravery of the Soviet soldier during WWII? Explain this with your typical BS, CB...

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/archives/reports/reports1.html

In this report, Stalin himself admits his troops basically aren't worth a damn. Or are you going to argue with Stalin and tell him he's wrong, too?

DW

I was responding to the above comment not to your post 1de. A little touchy aren't we?:)

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


No that is not stooping low, he copied and pasted the only document that we have that shows what we gave the USSR, nothing wrong with using that site as long as your can tell between true and false.

OK.... Now we've entered another realm of the CB fantasy world.

It's OK for YOU to copy and paste references and claim it's the truth. BUT... If anyone else does it, we have to try and figure out if it's true or not.

What a friggin' idiot!!!

DW

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


THAT IS WHAT WE ALL SAID!

If CB is going to live in his fantasy world, then we all can attempt to prove him wrong with other theories. THe fact the US had the A-Bomb is a pretty good theory that we could have won the war anyway.

US bombers are what destroyed German industry in WWII. Even CB has to concede this point. (Like that will happen! )

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Also the US did get lucky in WWII. There is no way in the world that the US could have beaten the same germany army that the Soviets put up with.

The problem is that for every hypothetical you put up, I can counter it. The Battle of Britan still would have been won by the allies. The Allies still would have bombed the Germans back to the Stone Age. The Allies still beat the crack German North African Army. The allies would have used the Nuke on Germany to force the surrender. Again, it would have taken longer, but the US/British Alliance still would have won.

During the Battle of the Atlantic, who destroyed the German U-Boat Fleet? Was it the Heroic Soviet Navy? Didn't think so!

1de, without materials, plans are useless.

And visa versa fool!

BTW, where is your proof that the US supplied the Soviets with Uranium under the Lend/Lease program?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


No Allied bombers are what did it, you have to remember the British had the best bomber.

The B-29 Superfortress was the best bomber in the war! As for Europe, what planes flew the most sorties? Liberators and Flying Fortresses. What planes flew escort? Mustangs!
Nuff said!


The German War Machine was very prolific. Where do you think all of those V1 and V-2 weapons would have been sent if the other Allies were not in the war. If the Americans and British had not destroyed the German industry, then the Soviets would have been NUKED! Sounds like the recipe for a stalemate to me!

I am not asking you to figure out if the copy and pasted report on that site is correct or not, FOR IT IS. I am telling you to be careful when you read his comments at the end, for their are defiantly written through a personal bias, and are not historically accurate.

Are you talking about him or you!

[1stdeadeye]

READ CB!

Hey CB did you read that "Siege" Document you posted? Here in America, we would probably call it martial law! The First paragragh denotes that the battle lines were 100 to 120 KM from the City limits.

That document is declaring martial law and is not proof a siege existed. Stalingrad was besieged, Moscow was not. Maybe you should check your own sources more carefully!

Oh yeah that is a neat website. I like the analysis of the T-34. It was pretty cool that it couldn't make it throught the tests because of a bad air filter design!

[aaron_mag]

Alright we've beaten these hypotheticals to death. Time to move on to other hypothetical discussions that can go on ad infinum....anyone want to present a theory as to why Rome fell?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Alright we've beaten these hypotheticals to death. Time to move on to other hypothetical discussions that can go on ad infinum....anyone want to present a theory as to why Rome fell?

The Huns were pissed that the Romans didn't deliver their pizza in 30 days or less?

[1stdeadeye]

for CB

Hey CB,

Where did you get your info on the US providing the USSR with Uranium? You are wrong! Check out this:PBS Website !

This site is PBS. I don't like it much, but it has some of the best info I could find on the web about the Soviet Nuclear Program. I really like the interviews where they talked about the Soviets using materials other then Uranium in their Thermo-Nuclear Bombs. I also like the fact that the Soviets had to use over 20,000 slave laborors to mine that "American Uranium" FDR gave them.

Gotcha!

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
...anyone want to present a theory as to why Rome fell?

I think Rome was on its downfall after Maximus killed the Emperor Commodus in the coliseum.

:)

JDub

[aaron_mag]

Re: for CB

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
This site is PBS. I don't like it much, but it has some of the best info I could find on the web about the Soviet Nuclear Program.

Typical PBS hater. It has the best information but I don't like it because they don't have a rabid conservative slant.

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious
I think Rome was on its downfall after Maximus killed the Emperor Commodus in the coliseum.

That is the stupidest argument ever. I have a website that PROVES without a doubt that if Commodus had lived Rome would have fallen much more quickly than it did. This is not a biased site either the guy did the research and came up with an independent and informed decision. Here is the link below:

http://www.commodusisabastardthatkilledmyfather.com

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: for CB

Originally posted by aaron_mag


Typical PBS hater. It has the best information but I don't like it because they don't have a rabid conservative slant.

PBS=Pure Boring Stuff!

PBS only has a few good shows: Travels in Europe, This Old House, New Yankee Workshop, and Battlefield!



That is the stupidest argument ever. I have a website that PROVES without a doubt that if Commodus had lived Rome would have fallen much more quickly than it did. This is not a biased site either the guy did the research and came up with an independent and informed decision. Here is the link below:

http://www.commodusisabastardthatkilledmyfather.com

I am telling you it was the pizza!

[m-98]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


THAT IS WHAT WE ALL SAID!

If CB is going to live in his fantasy world, then we all can attempt to prove him wrong with other theories. THe fact the US had the A-Bomb is a pretty good theory that we could have won the war anyway.

US bombers are what destroyed German industry in WWII. Even CB has to concede this point. (Like that will happen! )

Even if he doesn't he has to admit that nukes would have.

[Collegeboy]

How many atomic bombs did we have in late 45?

The point is the US would have never gotten to late 45 if they would have faced the Germans at the percentage the Russians had to. Either too many body bags would have come home for US citizens taste and would pressure the gov. to bring the boys home, or they would have been pushed out to sea. The US would not have been in the war long enough for them o even consider using the bomb.

As for what Russia got in the Lend Lease, I gave you the list, on it listed nuclear materials.

It is an official government document stating that Moscow lies in a siege declaring a system of martial law in Moscow. What does the Martial law have to do with it being a siege, I have no idea where you are going with that, but I can probably be certain that Leningrad and Stalingrad had the same warnings.

This whole thing got me wondering, what do you all think ended the Cold War (not the fall of the USSR, but what cause its fall)

Since this thing is FAR of topic this shouldn't matter.