The French are Evil!

[1stdeadeye]

What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Whenever the vast majority agree with you, you are normally wrong. I forgot who said that.

Then you must be absolutely perfect!

When you parents example doesn't fit with country wide polls and popular opinion at the time, I have to question it. Sorry, but that is only true.

Where are you getting your facts? From your family? Maybe your family is wrong, eh?

Look at the facts. America was isolationist until Pearl Harbor. America was against the war until it came to us. After Pearl Harbor, America was solidly behind the war effort. Look at the surge in enlistments, not draftees, but volunteers that ran in RECORD numbers to enlist!

America was reluctant to go to war, but went full bore after 12/7/41! You had better post your proof. I have heard WWII stories from many of my relatives from the Greatest Generation. They rose to the challenge from a sense of duty, kind of like what you say the Soviet citizens did.

Also, remember what our country believes. Look at what our Presidents have said throughout the years:

"Millions for defense, but no a penny for tribute"
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Americans have not shyed away from a fight. In WWII, the majority did not want the war, but were 100% behind it when the time came. Look at the sale of Liberty Bonds. The US Gov't sold Billions in Liberty Bonds to the American people. If the people did not support the war, why did they buy them? Why did Rosie the riviter go to the shipyards? Why did Americans plant Victory Gardens?

You really are a fool!

[Collegeboy]

Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by Collegeboy


Whenever the vast majority agree with you, you are normally wrong. I forgot who said that.

Then you must be absolutely perfect!

When you parents example doesn't fit with country wide polls and popular opinion at the time, I have to question it. Sorry, but that is only true.

Where are you getting your facts? From your family? Maybe your family is wrong, eh?

Look at the facts. America was isolationist until Pearl Harbor. America was against the war until it came to us. After Pearl Harbor, America was solidly behind the war effort. Look at the surge in enlistments, not draftees, but volunteers that ran in RECORD numbers to enlist!

America was reluctant to go to war, but went full bore after 12/7/41! You had better post your proof. I have heard WWII stories from many of my relatives from the Greatest Generation. They rose to the challenge from a sense of duty, kind of like what you say the Soviet citizens did.

Also, remember what our country believes. Look at what our Presidents have said throughout the years:

"Millions for defense, but no a penny for tribute"
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Americans have not shyed away from a fight. In WWII, the majority did not want the war, but were 100% behind it when the time came. Look at the sale of Liberty Bonds. The US Gov't sold Billions in Liberty Bonds to the American people. If the people did not support the war, why did they buy them? Why did Rosie the riviter go to the shipyards? Why did Americans plant Victory Gardens?

You really are a fool!

But was that against the Germans or the Japanese. You have to distinguish between the two. The proof is in history, Read the book the Reluctant Belligerent, read the congressional records read the presidents speeches, read what FDR did and the public response to them.

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

And when will you get it through that fat head of yours that "Opinion polls" are just that, and are taken on a miniscule percentage of the population AND subject to the presentation of the Poller, not to mention any other variables??? Do you have proof of the numbers of people that were polled??? 1, 2, 5, 10, 1000, 10,000, 500,000, One million.................. ?????

PUT UP OR SHUT TF UP, BOY!!!

DW

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I read the site, they mined materials, and the US gave them materials.

Where? What? We did not give nuclear material to the Brits, but we did to the Soviets? THat makes sense!

So how much of Europe would we allow Germany to gobble up before we did anything. Will we allow them to spread out all over to where we can not attack, or will we stop them before they get anywhere. For if you wait until mid 1945, all of Europe beside Russia will be under German control.

That is where the bombers come in. We would have had to lay waste to France as well, but no big loss!

AS for that site, did you read the first part of it. It says in big bold letters, ATOMIC MATERIALS.

No inventory while the inventoried the planes and tanks to the last one. Real reliable!

Yes Moscow was.

You're right and Webster's is wrong! THey called it a siege. THe rest of the world calls it Martial Law. Again you are right!

I thought you would place the fall on the USSR on the US's shoulders.

READ what I said. Their economy could not handle the drain the miltary build up during the cold war placed on it. You can only put people through so much before they turn on you. Heck if you really want my opinion, MTV, Levis, ANd Coca-Cola had as much to do with the fall of the USSR as anything else. How are you going to keep the peasants down on the farm after they have seen Paris Comrade?

So essentially we bankrupted them. I put it in simple terms that even you might understand.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by Collegeboy

But was that against the Germans or the Japanese. You have to distinguish between the two. The proof is in history, Read the book the Reluctant Belligerent, read the congressional records read the presidents speeches, read what FDR did and the public response to them.

See that is what was great thing about FDR. He so eleoquently tied the Germans and Japanese into one Axis of Evil.

You did not answer a single point in my original post.

Your example is nothing. That was the opinion of the day in the 1930's. Post 1941 was a whole different world. I guess you are going to be saying that the American people did not want the war on terrorism to your children. After all, you were there? Bush also didn't have 70%+ approval ratings.

[aaron_mag]

Re: Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
See that is what was great thing about FDR. He so eleoquently tied the Germans and Japanese into one Axis of Evil.

Don't even start comparing FDR and Bush Jr. You want to start comparing their domestic politics?

Your example is nothing. That was the opinion of the day in the 1930's. Post 1941 was a whole different world. I guess you are going to be saying that the American people did not want the war on terrorism to your children. After all, you were there? Bush also didn't have 70%+ approval ratings.

There is one final judge of approval ratings and that is the upcoming election. I'm thinking he is not as strong as everyone believes....

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Rebel46_99


And when will you get it through that fat head of yours that "Opinion polls" are just that, and are taken on a miniscule percentage of the population AND subject to the presentation of the Poller, not to mention any other variables??? Do you have proof of the numbers of people that were polled??? 1, 2, 5, 10, 1000, 10,000, 500,000, One million.................. ?????

PUT UP OR SHUT TF UP, BOY!!!

DW

[shartley]

Re: Re: Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by aaron_mag
There is one final judge of approval ratings and that is the upcoming election. I'm thinking he is not as strong as everyone believes....

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by aaron_mag


Don't even start comparing FDR and Bush Jr. You want to start comparing their domestic politics?

Periods in time, not people!



There is one final judge of approval ratings and that is the upcoming election. I'm thinking he is not as strong as everyone believes....

Time will tell!

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


These were official polls by the government to show the mood of the populace.

And yet again........ No proof, no references....

It figures. Yet, your next post will ask me where mine is. I think it's about time you started supplying alot more material to support YOUR position than mere hearsay.

DW

Personally, I for one, wouldn't mind seeing an elimination of political threads for a while.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No the idea that Russia, then the USSR tried to implement Marxist principles in a country that hasn't gone through the bourgeois capitalism stage and doesn't have a strong peasant economy,wasn't an industrial nation, in a time of rapid modernization and growth and in a space dotted with threats is what brought the USSR to its knees.

WTF drugs are you on? Seriously? Is your schooling that bad that you really believe this?

1DE nailed it. Ronaldus Magnus brought the commie bastards to their knees by the mere THREAT of SDI. The commie bastards couldn't afford the escalation in weapons platform technologies to keep up with the US.

And here's something for you to choke on kid, before you spout your usual drivel, think about this, MOST of us actually LIVED through the cold war before YOU were even BORN.

[1stdeadeye]

UGHH!

Originally posted by Collegeboy


These were official polls by the government to show the mood of the populace. Everyone knows that the US was isolationist before PH. So why in the world am I arguing with you over this? Man you just love to argue.

Since when did the US government do polls? Institutes, political parties, organizations do polls. Do we have a Department of Polling? You really don't know what you are talking about.

As for the love af Argument, You are the master!


Read the list I provided the first heading is Atomic Materials. READ.

Please post the link again. The one I read dealt with equipment.

IT WAS CHRONOLOGICAL AND ALPHABETICAL. Man what is up with you. The USSR didn't receive that many planes and tanks from the US, they could make there own. They needed consumer goods and materials needed to make the consumer goods.

According to the website you cite, the USSR did need the American Tanks and Planes we sent! Your source, not mine!

Why can you not have martial law in a siege, the two go together.
They did in Stalingrad, BUT BY DEFINITION, THERE WAS NO SIEGE OF MOSCOW! THIS IS BY DEFINITION!!!!!! Go argue with Websters!

No the US did not bankrupt them, they bankrupt themselves. If they would have built it right and in the right place then there is no problem. But their poor place of beginning is what brought the end to it. Also it wasn't the US in the Cold War who did it. The Russians always went without. Truth is at the time of the fall the Russians enjoyed more then they did earlier on.

What a load of garbage? Who were the Soviets spending all this money to keep up with? The arms race and the inherent flaws of Communism doomed the USSR. Poor place of begining? Please. I guess it was that little German armies fault. So wait, does this mean that the Germans actually beat the USSR in WWII in a very long war of attrition. After all, Germany is still here and the USSR is a bad memory!


Yeah I guess the fact that Germany Declared war on the US would have gone overlooked. The US never backed down from a fight! How can you judge the morale of our country? You really need to just shut up! Your jibberish is giving us migranes!

[aaron_mag]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by shartley

No offense taken. I even concede your points about the democrats finding someone to beat Bush and the fact that they have been flailing around (and not looking too good). They would be better to focus on a platform based on stronger diplomacy and a different economic stimulus package. Still my gut tells me Bush is not as strong as is widely believed and he will lose this next round. Of course I am in the Oregon which is not a state with strong backing for Bush so my perception is probably totally skewed:). You, 1de, and FOL will probably be mocking me come election time. Actually you guys will be mocking me no matter what the outcome! All that remains to be seen is if you will be adding presidential election predictions to your list of mockable offenses.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

OH, but I thought you said that if the majority of the people all thought the same thing, then they are WRONG?

you are being seen by a whole team of shrinks aren'r you.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What state do you live in CB? The State of Denial!

Originally posted by aaron_mag


No offense taken. I even concede your points about the democrats finding someone to beat Bush and the fact that they have been flailing around (and not looking too good). They would be better to focus on a platform based on stronger diplomacy and a different economic stimulus package. Still my gut tells me Bush is not as strong as is widely believed and he will lose this next round. Of course I am in the Oregon which is not a state with strong backing for Bush so my perception is probably totally skewed:). You, 1de, and FOL will probably be mocking me come election time. Actually you guys will be mocking me no matter what the outcome! All that remains to be seen is if you will be adding presidential election predictions to your list of mockable offenses.

Ooh, ooh, Can I offend you?!?

Time will tell. Remember that no matter how bad a president is, if his challenger is worse then...

Come on, Clinton had to be laughing so hard he wet his pants when Dole won the nomination!

I agree with Sam. The candidates so far are very weak. They also look like they are headed for a bloody primary season. Whoever wins the Dem Nom may be so bloodied that he gets demolished in the General Election!