College Football WOOT!

[walker2287]

dre1919

that was a great post. I couldnt of put it any better myslef. untill the nd part, lol, im not a big fan of notre dame.

anyway kudos to auburn for emarrasing themselfs in front of a nation tv addiance and a home crowd.

cant wait for oklahoma saterday. wish i could go

[Collegeboy]

The problem with the SEC, is that it is not doing anymore cheating then any other conference in the land. Just when one team gets caught, they start looking at the conference more and more, people start telling on others and visa versa. This whole thing in the SEC started when a Bama mid linebacker named Travis Carroll quite the team after he had some words with the coach about his stance on the team. He went to Florida, was pissed that UA made him sit out a year, so he told on UA that "they" gave him a car while he was there. What happened was some booster out of the University hands gave him a low payment lease on a car that he could afford with his monthly living expense that he gets (something like 600 or so (something all schools do)). When he transferred the lease went up in price and he had to have to repossessed.

The NCAA had problems with this, and investigated more and found a couple other instances were "boosters" did some illegal crap. This spring loaded investigations into a vast amount of the SEC teams.

The problem with the Southeast and Alabama in particular is football is a religion here. It is not like in the Midwest or the central part, it is your life. You week and your year can be determined by one game one play. Case in point last years US team is considered to be a disappointment a failure. Even though they finished in the top 10, was considered the second or the best team in the land by CFP, and lost 3 games. The problem is they lost to Auburn in T-town. The coach could not handle the hatred he gained over that and had to leave, (it was one of the reasons)

Now when you have a state and a conference like that, people who are not in any way shape or form related with the school, will do what ever they can to insure that their team wins the conference and the national title. You have people paying high school coaches to have their star players sign with certain schools, to turn down others, to have their official visit at certain schools. All of these the schools have no control over, for the definition of a booster is so loose it is on real.

Case in point, I am good friends with the starting QB at bama and many of the backs, and OL. We were talking on time and they said since I buy tickets to the game, I am technically in the eyes of the NCAA a booster. If I was to buy a dinner for one of my football friends on their birthday, the school can get probation.

[dre1919]

Collegeboy...good post.


Thanks walker2287. Eh, the Notre Dame thing always goes one of two ways...people love them or hate them. I don't care which really...I've been a die hard Irish fan my whole life and always will be. No bandwagons at my house. We're 6-6...GO IRISH! We're 11-1...GO IRISH! It's just one of them things.

It's just like Collegeboy's steadfast defense of his Tide. Personally, I think they run a dirty program and are overrated most years. However, you gotta respect the length in which he goes to defend his teams honor.

As for the BCS, if you stop and take the time to understand it, then appreciate it for what it is, you would like it too. Every game counts, you have to play them all (starters don't get to take games off), and controversy adds to the excitement. Trust me, if you've ever played a team in NCAA College Football on PS2 or rooted for one in real life, sitting there doing the math of who needs to lose to who and what the scenarios could be is very edge of your seat. You pray the dominoes fall in just the right order to give your team a shot. If your team was 8-4 and already heading to the playoffs, all that suspense would be gone. Then, all you'd need to be is just better than everyone else is for a couple of weekends while the playoffs rolled on, instead of better than everyone else all year as it is now. Sure it's got it's maddening little quirks to it, and it straight rips you off at times...but that's life you know? You just play and see where the roll of the dice puts you.

The Irish open up this Saturday against Washington State...time to lay the smack down!

[Rooster]

"This whole Big XII versus Big Ten (11) thing is kinda stupid really. First of all, the Big XII is a much harder conference than any other in the country period. Rooster, you're whole argument you made so far is "Oh, Baylor...they're tough. The Big Ten (11) would bend them over something." Yeah, that's good...why don't you pick out the only true weak team in the Big XII as it's example? Riiiight. So, ok, by that rationale do the Big XII backers get to say the Big Ten (11) is weak as hell based on Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana and Iowa? Because believe me, the Big Ten (11) wasn't showing anybody anything just a short couple years ago. "

If you are talking about the last three years, then yes, the Big 12 is the best conference over those three years. If you are talking about the last 10, SEC owns you hard. If you are talking about the last 40 years, even without Penn State, the Big Ten has the highest confence ranking of any conference. Yes the Big Ten has had a crappy time of it since 1998. But you take a look at any time before that, and take a look at who the contenders in the National title picture where. If it wasn't Michigan, it was Ohio State. Oklahoma and Texas have only been contenders for the last three years. Where were they in 1998 (OSU 2nd)? 1997 (Michigan 1st)? 1996 (OSU 2nd)? 1995? 1994? The Big 12 is far from the best conference. The Big Ten myth is a popular way to dog the big ten becuase many sports commentators feel their play style is boring. That no one the pounds the ball and runs the 3 yards and a cloud of dust can compete with the fun and gun bullcrap. The stats don't lie. The Big Ten is the superior conference over the last 20 years. The Big 12 is a passing fancy.

[ntn4502]

very well said rooster, where are you from in Ohio?

[UltimatePaintballer]

college football

Sooners all the way. They have won like 4-5 titles in a row. they kick f'in arse. They are the best there is an i will be playing for them in 5 years! badgers, eh. brooks bollenger was good but now he lost it all.

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by taylor492
so tell me ntn4502, Is ignorance bliss? obviously preseason rankings dont carry much weight but they're not unfounded. I think Oklahoma was the best team last year and the best team this year. Look at their conference u wanna know why they've barely missed the national championship past couple years... cause they play in the hardest conference in the NCAA, and thats all there is to it.

Hmmmmmmm..................OU eh? Well lets see how they fair against OK. State. The past 2 years they have had a crappy team, and they STILL beat OU. What about Texas? They are lookin pretty good this year. I think Texas has a good shot at beating them.


Will OSU repeat? Probably not. But I do see them in a BCS game. There defense is alot more structured this year. Krenzel found out in the Miami game that he can scramble, and we will see him do more of it this year. Hall is very fast, and can get the job done. Hes not as good as Clarret, but he will manage.

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by walker2287
yeah auburn should have a real good team this year. i dont think they will win the national championship this year tho. they will go to a bcs tho.

hahaa

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Auburn is an overrated team this year, they will more then likly lose tomorrow, they might pull it off, but I doubt it.

They will lose to Alabama since we are playing at Jordan-Harre, just like Auburn normally wins at Byrant-Denney. (Oddly enough same with the LSU-Alabama game).

nailed it. I am actually agreeing with Collegeboy. Thats a first!

[Koosh]

Guys, Guys, Guys... your obviously forgetting the BEST out there...

the MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE! WHOOO! Go Colorado State! We won the conference last year (even though we were humiliated in the bowl game) and I'm pretty sure we'll take it by storm this year too...

Got off to a bad start though. Lost a heartbreaker to CU (University of Colorado, our arch rivals ) 42-35.

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by Rooster
The Big Ten plays smash mouth football. The big twelve ballerinas might as well be playing soccer. The only prize the Big 12 wins is conference most likely to cry about a broken nail.

Exactly. Big Ten has more tradition then ANY other conference. We have 3 stadiums that can fill over 100,000 peope, and sell out everygame. The school with the most Division 1-A victories is Michigan.


Ohio State had one of the greatest coaches of all time. Woody Hayes.


Penn State has a living legend. Papa Joe Paterno.


Archie Griffin was the only player to ever win 2 Heismans...


Big Ten is raw football.




I was just wondering, does anyone know what conference has the most national championships?

[taylor492]

the bottom line is that ohio state will NOT repeat as national champs, i know thats hard for some of u guys to come to grips with but look at the facts. Ohio state and the big ten being the best conference the past 20 years? uh no. throughout the 80s Ohio state only had ten or more wins once and that was '86 with exactly 10. In the 90s they did better but only with a few more years of ten or more wins and one national championship, which if you look at the previous few years was a shock. they barely, and i mean barely even made it to the national championship game. Didnt they win on a last second fluke catch against Purdue, i cant remember specifics i just remember thinking how much of a joke it would be for a team to be losing the whole game and then win in the last second, against purdue, to go on and win the national championship. now i wouldnt consider myself as much of a college football freak a some of u guys (i think u know who im talking about) but i have seen "a few games."

[Collegeboy]

I don't know about all of the SEC but this is Bama's stats. 12 national titles (either number one or tied for number one), 21 SEC championships, 51 bowl apperences, etc.........

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Rooster

If you are talking about the last three years, then yes, the Big 12 is the best conference over those three years. If you are talking about the last 10, SEC owns you hard. If you are talking about the last 40 years, even without Penn State, the Big Ten has the highest confence ranking of any conference. Yes the Big Ten has had a crappy time of it since 1998. But you take a look at any time before that, and take a look at who the contenders in the National title picture where. If it wasn't Michigan, it was Ohio State. Oklahoma and Texas have only been contenders for the last three years. Where were they in 1998 (OSU 2nd)? 1997 (Michigan 1st)? 1996 (OSU 2nd)? 1995? 1994? The Big 12 is far from the best conference. The Big Ten myth is a popular way to dog the big ten becuase many sports commentators feel their play style is boring. That no one the pounds the ball and runs the 3 yards and a cloud of dust can compete with the fun and gun bullcrap. The stats don't lie. The Big Ten is the superior conference over the last 20 years. The Big 12 is a passing fancy.

The Big Ten is a good conference, don't get me wrong, but they are in no way as dominant as you like to think they are...nor are they the best conference anymore. If you look back to 1869, yes, the Big Ten was the national champion or co-champion 30 times. Future Big XII teams have held the title 16 times since then. However, this is all pretty old school because the Big Ten is ancient. The Big XII has only been around since 1994, and since that time the national champions have been:

Big XII: 4
Big Ten: 2
$EC: 2
ACC: 1
Big East: 1

So, in the last decade, whose been more dominant? The Big XII. My point I was making was based on the ten years since the Big XII was formed. You really can't look back any further than that since it was formerly the Big 8 and then the Big Ten would have them beat on time and numbers alone. As for people dogging the Big Ten's style of play, I agree with you...they do. But just so you know, the Big XII plays just as much smashmouth football as anybody. There are still two teams in the Bix XII that run the option, and that's a completely outdated style of offense. The teams like Texas Tech with a spread offense are a minority in that conference. You may think the Big XII is a passing fancy, and that's fine I guess...just so long as you get used to seeing them at or near the top for a long time to come. Let's see...they're going to take the title this year, and then the next couple of years after that look pretty good since somebody in the Big XII (usually Texas) always gets the best recruiting classes in the nation.


Anyway, these are just some observations from a die hard Irish fan stuck in Big XII land. I really don't care which of these two conferences comes out on top as long as my Irish own both of them on gameday. Thankfully, we owned all the Big Ten teams we encountered last season. Hopefully, this season will be more of the same.


GO IRISH!

Notre Dame generally is considered to have earned 11 consensus national titles (1924-29-30-43-46-47-49-66-73-77-88). But there have been 19 seasons in which Notre Dame has qualified as a national champion from at least one legitimate poll.

7 Heisman Trophy Winners - More than any other school.

21 Bowl Appearances - 13 Bowl wins.

[walker2287]

QUOTE]21 Bowl Appearances - 13 Bowl wins.[/QUOTE]
Alabama - 51 bowl game appearances and 29 bowl game wins, both of which are the most of any team in NCAA history

The coach could not handle the hatred he gained over that and had to leave, (it was one of the reasons)

according to my sources he had decieded to leave before the game.

Penn State has a living legend. Papa Joe Paterno

how many nation championships has he won?? compared to bears 6????

[dre1919]

Hey man, Bama has done some incredible things in college football. Personally I think the program is dirty, but that's neither here nor there. Honestly, between Bama, Notre Dame, and Michigan...that IS college football tradition right there.

Anyway, I noticed the comment about legendary coaches in the Big Ten as well. That's great, but the Big XII has them too. Bud Wilkenson, Barry Switzer, Darrel K. Royal, Tom Osborne, Bear Bryant (when he was at A&M), Dennis Franchione..(just kidding, Collegeboy!).

I have to say though...with JoePa, he's been there since before the Vietnam War and he's got two titles? C'mon Joe...




How 'bout Knute Rockne, anyone?