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[eric]

Originally posted by dre1919


BTW, Miami had that one coming to 'em in the NC

So you dont think OSU deserved it, and you dont think the Miami deserved it, who do you think did?!?!

Im tired of people saying that whatever team won "didnt deserve it because it was a close game" The point is, they won. Its a close game for both teams, why do you say the team that LOST should have won?

[dre1919]

Originally posted by eric


So you dont think OSU deserved it, and you dont think the Miami deserved it, who do you think did?!?!

Im tired of people saying that whatever team won "didnt deserve it because it was a close game" The point is, they won. Its a close game for both teams, why do you say the team that LOST should have won?

Ok, first of all, I didn't say Miami didn't deserve to win the National Championship last year, I said they had that loss coming. Why? Because they had won so many games in a row...in the modern era where teams have greater balances of talent, that doesn't fly. Look at the great OU teams of the 40's and 50's...they dominated. Not taking anything away from those great teams, but their competition wasn't as stiff as it is today. You think any team could reel off 47 straight wins today? No. The only team capable of doing half that was Miami, and they did. If you want my opinion, Miami was the better team in that game AND all year long, they had the better talent, they just came up short in the end. It was a great game, somebody had to win it, and credit OSU for finding a way to make it happen. Credit them for having the grit to keep it close too...but Miami probably should have won. (And I hate Miami).

See, you Ohio State fans are all the same. OSU was a surprise champion last year. Not many people outside of Columbus picked them to win the NC, if any. They weren't supposed to be ready for that yet during Tressel's tenure. They were supposed to still be in progress toward that goal. My problem with Buckeye fan's is perception. OSU caught a wave of good fortune, maximized the talent they had, and rode emotion and desire all the way to the top. Ok, good for you guys. It happens sometimes, especially in football...one team may not be the better on paper but they want it more, have more heart, etc. Anyway, the point is, OSU fans walk around like your team is the next big dynasty of college football and the future champion for the next three years. You talk like OSU is going to flatten the college football world in one fell stroke, and it's just not going to happen.

The Bucks had a great year last year and capitalized. Great...your champs for now. Just don't get too cocky, or expect a repeat because your team's going to find out it's much harder to do a second time, especially when you're missing your best offensive player...the guy who got you there. My team had a tremendous year last year too, and it fizzled out. I'm in here supporting my team and saying were going to win each week whether they have a shot to or not. The difference is I'm not here trying to prove my team is the best in the nation with facts and figures, or opinions based upon last year. My team is the best to me, and that's good enough. They'll win as many games as they can.

That title game last year? Miami didn't want it bad enough and overlooked how tough OSU would be. They got careless, OSU capitalized. End of story. Michigan and OSU this year? Two great football teams loaded with talent. Will either end up in the Sugar Bowl? Nope. Mark it down...I can almost guarantee you they'll drop a couple games they should have won, and one will go to the Rose and the other a second tier bowl game or a BCS at large. The reasons for this are simple: OSU lost Clarett, so they have no run game. Right now, Krenzel's out. The defense can only carry them so long. Michigan? I just don't know what it is, but something tells me they're going to lose at least two games this year and that'll be enough to eliminate them from the NC. Michigan just doesn't give off that feeling like it's going to happen for them for some reason.

In the end, it's all a crap shoot anyway. Teams either play better than expected (Wake Forest) or worse than expected (Auburn) and end up where they end up. Look at my Irish for example: last year they shot out to 8-0 and #3 in the BCS. They got some momentum (huge in football) and started to believe in a philosophy, and even more important, their own invicibility. It's why they man handled Florida State in Tallahasse...something few people do. They believed nothing could stop them. You could have lined up Miami or OSU during that stretch and it would have been a serious dogfight. But, after they were felled by Boston College, doubt set in. They saw they could lose and started to make mistakes, and it was over for that season. Sometimes those things just happen.

Good luck to everybody's teams...really! Hell, even you Michigan. For the record, I just hope OSU doesn't repeat since ya'll are starting to become worse than Miami fans.



Here's to hoping my Irish power past MSU this weekend and regain their focus and pride.
GO IRISH!

[Rooster]

Well, well, well. The biggest powderpuff team in the nation, Kansas State, got their comeupance. Getting beat by a MAC team after they beat up on I-AA teams for the first four games is hilarious.

It appears that Notre Dame was indeed that bad. Lloyd Cooper choked again, no big shock there. Chris Perry was a no show, which proves a team that can stop the run, can stop Michigan.

The Buckeyes petered away another satasifactory lead again, but still won. The W is always the most important thing.

[Rooster]

"My problem with Buckeye fan's is perception. OSU caught a wave of good fortune, maximized the talent they had, and rode emotion and desire all the way to the top. Ok, good for you guys. It happens sometimes, especially in football...one team may not be the better on paper but they want it more, have more heart, etc. Anyway, the point is, OSU fans walk around like your team is the next big dynasty of college football and the future champion for the next three years. You talk like OSU is going to flatten the college football world in one fell stroke, and it's just not going to happen."

Sometimes people can be lucky. Really lucky. Who is lucky 18 times in a row? Yes OSU played with more heart. That has nothing to do with luck. The Buckeyes know how to win. Thats more important than any other statistic, 18-0.

[dre1919]

Hmmm...I believe I said two important things before:

1. You take away Perry and Michigan is forced to throw to win. Wasn't going to happen for them, and it didn't.

2. Michigan will lose at least two games they should have won and this Oregon loss today was one of those games. I said it before...Michigan, great team, but no NC for you guys this year. I just don't see it happening even though they gave a great effort to come back in Eugene.

KSU? Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Oh, I would also like to give a big shout out to the Big Ten officiating crew in the MSU/ND game.

It's comforting to see that the Big Ten's referees are still as incompetant as last year. They gave MSU two field goals that never should have happened (one a play clock violation and the other a CLEAR fumble) that won them the game. I'm not trying to complain, because those things happen, but it sure would be nice to have some instant replay. That, or a complete overhaul of the Big Ten's officiating corps.

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Rooster
Sometimes people can be lucky. Really lucky. Who is lucky 18 times in a row? Yes OSU played with more heart. That has nothing to do with luck. The Buckeyes know how to win. Thats more important than any other statistic, 18-0.

OSU does have a lot of heart, I'll give you that. My point is, the overwhelming feeling I get from the Buckeye fans I've seen and heard is "We're the greatest team in all the land. Bow down."

Um...no. The Buckeyes are good, but not that good. Another week, another close win. I'm just starting to see the smugness generally reserved for Miami fans in the Buckeye faithful.

But...whatever.

[Rooster]

"OSU does have a lot of heart, I'll give you that. My point is, the overwhelming feeling I get from the Buckeye fans I've seen and heard is "We're the greatest team in all the land. Bow down."

I have never seen or heard that attitude from anyone. However most Ohio State fans are upset about the complete lack of respect from the rest of the nation. The Buckeyes were the 2002 National Champions. The best Division 1-A team in the nation last year. They wern't on the radar last year until 8 games in, people talked about how Iowa was far superior in the Big Ten.

The rest of the nation is suffering from a severe case of Buckeye envy. They all know their team was no Miami. Their teams didn't have the stars. Ohio State was a no-name blue collar team with one thing going for them, they refused to lose. Their team could have been Ohio State, if their team would have had the heart. Thats why everyone is so pissed off. They think it could have been their team.

[bluefan101]

Almost speechless. Dre, I still disagree with you on your "taking Perry out" comment. Michigan did well with the passing game...they just waited too long to get it started. The benefit of the balanced offense is supposed to show that you do well running the ball AND passing the ball. Typical Michigan football is hardnose, ram the ball in type of football. Until the 3rd quarter they kept trying to do that. Then it was like, "oh yeah. We have those 3 big receivers we haven't been throwing to." Had they realized that they needed to diversify their play calling earlier, I think the game would have turned out differently. I can suck it up and say they played like crap to start out with, and that if they continue to play that type of offense, they will not have any shot at the NC. However, if they can go back to Ann Arbor and keep it together, they still MIGHT have a shot. I'm not ruling it out, but even as a true beleiver I have my doubts now. Big Ten play starts next week so I guess we'll see what happens. Congrats to the Bucks for another close win.

[Rooster]

So did Collegegirl hang himself after his vaunted bama lost to a MAC team? Where is he?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Rooster
So did Collegegirl hang himself after his vaunted bama lost to a MAC team? Where is he?

[Rooster]

Screw sending the best, send another team from Illinios, another team dressed in orange. They'd do the same thing to bama, in bama's house. They just arn't that good, and never were this year.

I'll freely admit, every game with Ohio State is a toss up, and a heart stopper, becuase you know the next game could end it all. The fact is Bama isn't good, just like Kansas State isn't good, and is just at the begining of a long rebuilding process, playing in Tuscaloosa, or otherwise.

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Rooster

I have never seen or heard that attitude from anyone. However most Ohio State fans are upset about the complete lack of respect from the rest of the nation. The Buckeyes were the 2002 National Champions. The best Division 1-A team in the nation last year. They wern't on the radar last year until 8 games in, people talked about how Iowa was far superior in the Big Ten.

The rest of the nation is suffering from a severe case of Buckeye envy. They all know their team was no Miami. Their teams didn't have the stars. Ohio State was a no-name blue collar team with one thing going for them, they refused to lose. Their team could have been Ohio State, if their team would have had the heart. Thats why everyone is so pissed off. They think it could have been their team.

I have, and I've seen it from you even if it wasn't in so many words. You have a good argument going about how Ohio State has a lot of heart and refuses to lose. Then, you pretty much wad that great argument up and take a leak on it by saying the rest of the country wants to be just like OSU. Gee, no arrogance there at all...thanks for proving OSU fans aren't cocky this year.

The surprise national championship team? Sure, OSU was that. Were there several teams that could have been that other than OSU? Yep...my team was among them. But even if my team had pulled off going to (and) winning the title game I still wouldn't have the attitude to say "the rest of the country wishes it was us." OSU needs to go away, and quickly, just for the attitude checks it'll dispense.

Collegeboy...man, it was NIU. Granted, they're a pretty decent team this year...but it's still NIU. Bama should be a little embarassed. Arkansas must be licking it's chops at the thought of playing your Tide right now.

Bluefan, yeah...Michigan has some pretty good receiving threats but here was my point with "taking away Perry"; I wasn't trying to say Michigan's aerial talent didn't exist, what I meant was that it wouldn't get used to it's potential and they'd get beat. Which, by not turning to the passing game sooner, they did. End of story. We'll see which game in Big Ten play will expose this weakness again. Lloyd Carr gets too stubborn at times. Either way, you guys have a helluva football team though.

Giving credit where credit is due...Michigan and Notre Dame, the two winnigest teams in college football.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by dre1919



Collegeboy...man, it was NIU. Granted, they're a pretty decent team this year...but it's still NIU. Bama should be a little embarassed. Arkansas must be licking it's chops at the thought of playing your Tide right now.

Yeah man it is a shame, I even hit the strip (hopping on my crutches half drunk (I dislocated me knee cap again)) and no one was parting at 3 in the morning. That was a shocker to me, for that is normally when the good stuff starts to happen. But I would not want to be in Arkansas shoes this Saturday. The players are going to take out their anger on the hogs.

(Kids here is a tip, do not try and move around downtown on crutches after consuming a bottle of any liqueur)

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Yeah man it is a shame, I even hit the strip (hopping on my crutches half drunk (I dislocated me knee cap again)) and no one was parting at 3 in the morning. That was a shocker to me, for that is normally when the good stuff starts to happen. But I would not want to be in Arkansas shoes this Saturday. The players are going to take out their anger on the hogs.

(Kids here is a tip, do not try and move around downtown on crutches after consuming a bottle of any liqueur)

Yeah, that is a good tip! I don't know really...we could see an angry Bama team come out and take it to the Hogs or we may not. I thought my Irish would come out truly focused and highly angry about getting embarassed by Michigan and it didn't really happen. Of course, those two field goals that never should have happened made a big difference, but that's life. NIU's tailback, Micheal "The Burner" Turner is one hell of a tailback. At least several other schools share your Tide's pain at being upset by MAC teams saturday.

[bunkermaster10]

GO HOGS!!!

We have beat Bama I think what the last 11 meetings right...:).

But, Bamas going to bring it like they always do.