This is why I hate the French, well really the Parisians!

[Python14]

In addition, it is very arrogant of you to judge and place yourself above other people because of their past.

Well, lets see....

Number of Police Officers shot in the back by....

Mumia-1
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
AlbinoNewt-zero
paintballguy429-zero

Number of cop killers supported by....

Mumia-1(himself)
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
Albinonewt-zero
paintballguy429-1

By default, our judgement is better because we have not killed any cops, nor have we supported any cop killers.
When I make a bad judgement, I get more cereal than I can eat.
When Mumia makes a bad judgement, a cop gets shot in the back.

So what is your solution to the Mumia case? Let him go?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Python14


Well, lets see....

Number of Police Officers shot in the back by....

Mumia-1
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
AlbinoNewt-zero
paintballguy429-zero

Number of cop killers supported by....

Mumia-1(himself)
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
Albinonewt-zero
paintballguy429-1

By default, our judgement is better because we have not killed any cops, nor have we supported any cop killers.
When I make a bad judgement, I get more cereal than I can eat.
When Mumia makes a bad judgement, a cop gets shot in the back.

So what is your solution to the Mumia case? Let him go?

ROFL!!!

That is classic. If it wasn't so long, it would go right into the sig!

Mr. 429,
You are new to AO. I am not telling you to STFU am I? There are other issues with Collegeboy. He belittled 9/11 amoung other things. Some of his previous posts in other threads were offensive to the great majority of AO. I was addressing him not on this issue, but overall. Search some of the other threads he has posted in and you may understand my response.

Why have you read the transcripts in So Cali? I read them because his brother Ken Faulkner a Former NJ Assemblyman gave them out to the FOP. A member of the FOP gave them to me to read.

The stories did not change until AFTER the trial, not during.

As to my degree of bloodthirstiness, I am not for killing all killers. I am for killing those that commit heinous crimes. I do realize that people make mistakes and some can be redeemed. I take umbrage at any suggestion that those of us who are not of your minset are bloodthirsty neanderthals. If we were bloodthirsty, we would want his execution televised! I assure that I do not. What I want is justice.

Also remember that all appeals are on trial error or other factors. There has never been a determination that the facts were wrong!

The Death Penalty is a legal and valid form of punishment. Shooting a police officer in the back is one of those offenses that deserve it. You can not argue self defense. What was Danny doing running backwards at him," Oh my God Mumia, he is chargeing!!"

[paintballguy429]

"The death penalty is a clear and obvious abuse of government power and violation of basic human rights."

Mumia_killing_another_person_was_a_clear_and_obvio us_abuse_of_a_firearm_and_a_violation_of_human_rig hts_therefore_mumia_deserves_to_have_his_basic_hum an_rights_taken_away_by_being_put_to_death

btw
YES_i_need_a_new_keyboard....and_welcome_to_AO

I agree, murder is terrible, however, I find it equally ironic that we condemn murder with killing.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye



Mr. 429,
You are new to AO. I am not telling you to STFU am I? There are other issues with Collegeboy. He belittled 9/11 amoung other things. Some of his previous posts in other threads were offensive to the great majority of AO. I was addressing him not on this issue, but overall. Search some of the other threads he has posted in and you may understand my response.

You only wish it was like that. How about people learn how to read and take post for how they are, not how you think they are. I still love the whole me posting on one thing and another post on the same thing. I get threatened with banning, while you all start laughing with him (including you until I made the situation known, and you then switched, how convenient)

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


My lie?

I'm sorry, isn't the same Amnesty International that thought it better for Iraq to live under Saddam then for it to be liberated? It's real easy for them to sit on the sideline and complain about abuse, but as soon as someone tries to stop it (the coalition) all of a sudden they change their song and start complaining about the abuses of the coalition.

Amnesty Internation is the most Anti-American organization on the planet. They do not serve the greater good, they serve a political agenda that is their own.

Yes, your lie. You said the AI had not condemned the human rights violations of Iraq. That is a lie. I just gave you proof as to why it was a lie.

Sadaam Hussein was an evil, opressive dictator who slaughtered his people. Just because some people believe that the invasion of a country is not the best way to promote human rights does not make them "anti-american". Nice try though.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by Python14


Well, lets see....

Number of Police Officers shot in the back by....

Mumia-1
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
AlbinoNewt-zero
paintballguy429-zero

Number of cop killers supported by....

Mumia-1(himself)
Python14-zero
1stDeadeye-zero
Albinonewt-zero
paintballguy429-1

By default, our judgement is better because we have not killed any cops, nor have we supported any cop killers.
When I make a bad judgement, I get more cereal than I can eat.
When Mumia makes a bad judgement, a cop gets shot in the back.

So what is your solution to the Mumia case? Let him go?

I have never supported cop-killing. Mumia's innocence is still up for debate. What I did say was that he trial was an embarassment to the justice system, which it was.

The point that I meant to prove by saying he made a "mistake" was that it is arrogant and obnoxious for people to dub others "scum".

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I get threatened with banning, while you all start laughing with him (including you until I made the situation known, and you then switched, how convenient)

Huh?

We all knew about the threatened banning because it was posted. Nobody was laughing at you. Everyone was quite upset because you were "trolling".

Switched how? I don't get that comment either.

[CasingBill]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


I agree, murder is terrible, however, I find it equally ironic that we condemn murder with killing.

Here we go again. Murder and killing are completely different. Its not murder in war and not murder in capital punishment. When you commit a crime knowing full well what your punishment will be if you get caught, you have no reason to complain. We need to enforce the laws that are on the books now and capitol punishment is one of them. Agian, this is punishment that he knew about before he committed the crime.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
Sadaam Hussein was an evil, opressive dictator who slaughtered his people. Just because some people believe that the invasion of a country is not the best way to promote human rights does not make them "anti-american". Nice try though.

Well let's see....
Amnesty International's condemnations and reports saved how many Iraqi lives from Saddam's madness? 0

The Invasion freed the country......Hmmm which approach was more effective.

Nobody "wanted" the war. Sometimes it is the only course of action left though.

[Lopy-slopy]

You say you want justice yet you also tell every body who disagree's with your VERY byast opinions on this case to STFU. If you want justice than you would be in support of a new case. People in this thread have tried to make mumia out to be total scum, like saying he was a bad reporter for a bad newspaper, but if he is so bad how could he have been able to rally all of this support. You can't posibly think that his trial was totaly unbiast and within the law. I for one am deffinatly in favor of giving him at least a new trial. Don't bash people for their belifs, if you don't think he desservs recignition than that's fine, but if other people do than don't just tell thm to STFU. His trial desserves to get alot of attention, because every once and a while we have to stop and take a look at what is happening in places other than your little everyday life. Mumia may be right or he may be wrong but people are too byast(both for and against Mumia) in this thread and it ends up just starting fights. You can not just out and out call somebody scum if you don't know them and you don't have proff that he killed him in cold blood. I personaly don't support cop killers, I just want to see him get a new trial.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


ROFL!!!

That is classic. If it wasn't so long, it would go right into the sig!

Mr. 429,
You are new to AO. I am not telling you to STFU am I? There are other issues with Collegeboy. He belittled 9/11 amoung other things. Some of his previous posts in other threads were offensive to the great majority of AO. I was addressing him not on this issue, but overall. Search some of the other threads he has posted in and you may understand my response.

Why have you read the transcripts in So Cali? I read them because his brother Ken Faulkner a Former NJ Assemblyman gave them out to the FOP. A member of the FOP gave them to me to read.

The stories did not change until AFTER the trial, not during.

As to my degree of bloodthirstiness, I am not for killing all killers. I am for killing those that commit heinous crimes. I do realize that people make mistakes and some can be redeemed. I take umbrage at any suggestion that those of us who are not of your minset are bloodthirsty neanderthals. If we were bloodthirsty, we would want his execution televised! I assure that I do not. What I want is justice.

Also remember that all appeals are on trial error or other factors. There has never been a determination that the facts were wrong!

The Death Penalty is a legal and valid form of punishment. Shooting a police officer in the back is one of those offenses that deserve it. You can not argue self defense. What was Danny doing running backwards at him," Oh my God Mumia, he is chargeing!!"

I do consider it blood thirsty to show pictures of shirts that glorify the death penalty. Regardless of your position on the issue of capital punishment, you should at least recognize that the issue should be handled with sensitivity and seriousness, not with the attitude expressed on that shirt, which publicly displays your desire to see a man dead.

I have not argued self-defense. I have argued against the obviously unfair trial that Mumia received.

I did not suggest that all death penalty advocates are blood thirsty. That comment was in relation to the shirt that calls for the execution of another human. The shirt is unnesscary, offensive, and only draws negative attention to yourself.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Huh?

We all knew about the threatened banning because it was posted. Nobody was laughing at you. Everyone was quite upset because you were "trolling".

Switched how? I don't get that comment either.

I didn't say people were laughing at me. I made a post in which I said I will include all who die everyday in my memorial post, along with those on 911. I got threatened with banning for doing nothing more then what the maker of the thread asked for. No trolling was involved.

Another guy posted a thread where he said we should also remember all others who have died on that date. You all made joke with him and had no problem with it, even though it was the same as mine. When I brought this up, you quickly changed your posting, and went one condemning his post.

The mods had no problem with his, but had one with mine.

Just another example of selective dislike on this board by some.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


I have never supported cop-killing. Mumia's innocence is still up for debate. What I did say was that he trial was an embarassment to the justice system, which it was.

No it is not! Did you not watch the 60 Minutes episode on him last year? He admitted the killing to one of his biggest supporters who immediatly left him to support the Widow Faulkner. Mumia is not a victum. Danny Faulkner was!

The point that I meant to prove by saying he made a "mistake" was that it is arrogant and obnoxious for people to dub others "scum".

Man who shot a cop in the back (Cop Killer)=Scum? I can live with that!

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by CasingBill



Here we go again. Murder and killing are completely different. Its not murder in war and not murder in capital punishment. When you commit a crime knowing full well what your punishment will be if you get caught, you have no reason to complain. We need to enforce the laws that are on the books now and capitol punishment is one of them. Agian, this is punishment that he knew about before he committed the crime.

Okay, obviously you don't understand where anti-death penalty proponents are coming from. Obviously we need to enforce the laws on the books. I want those laws to change.

I understand the distinction between murder and killing, I just think the eye for an eye concept is very flawed, and that the government is over-stepping its bounds when it takes lives.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I didn't say people were laughing at me. I made a post in which I said I will include all who die everyday in my memorial post, along with those on 911. I got threatened with banning for doing nothing more then what the maker of the thread asked for. No trolling was involved.

It was the principle of the thread that you were not comprehending. It was memorializing an event like Pearl Harbor. You just don't get it.

Another guy posted a thread where he said we should also remember all others who have died on that date. You all made joke with him and had no problem with it, even though it was the same as mine. When I brought this up, you quickly changed your posting, and went one condemning his post.

Link please? I don't remember this.