This is why I hate the French, well really the Parisians!

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Well let's see....
Amnesty International's condemnations and reports saved how many Iraqi lives from Saddam's madness? 0

The Invasion freed the country......Hmmm which approach was more effective.

Nobody "wanted" the war. Sometimes it is the only course of action left though.

I never argued that they did, I simply said that Albino was wrong. He should do his research before talking. Actually, AI's proclamations have called attention to numerous issues which later lead to the prevention of inhumane executions and the freedom of political prisoners.

If you want to debate the Iraq War another time, I'd be happy to, but let's stick to Mumia.

**Python14** · 10-09-2003, 08:03 PM

I, am for the most part, anti-death penalty. Mainly on more stable economic grounds, moral arguments are impossible to win. But eitherway, I can and do make exceptions(all subjective to my own views). Mumia would be one of them. However, for the sake of preventing chaos, I'd say keep him alive...but quiet.

reasoning? The moment he dies, you'll see protests out the wazoo. While it is generally my opinion to not give a rats patootie about protesters(I've given my fair share the finger), I do think it would be unwise to give them a "martyr" for their "cause".

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by paintballguy429

I have never supported cop-killing. Mumia's innocence is still up for debate. What I did say was that he trial was an embarassment to the justice system, which it was.

No it is not! Did you not watch the 60 Minutes episode on him last year? He admitted the killing to one of his biggest supporters who immediatly left him to support the Widow Faulkner. Mumia is not a victum. Danny Faulkner was!

The point that I meant to prove by saying he made a "mistake" was that it is arrogant and obnoxious for people to dub others "scum".

Man who shot a cop in the back (Cop Killer)=Scum? I can live with that!

Even if he admitted his guilt to a friend, the courts failed to provide a fair, unbiased trial.

Obviously we will never see eye to eye on the name-calling, so i guess I'll just give that one up.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by paintballguy429

I do consider it blood thirsty to show pictures of shirts that glorify the death penalty. Regardless of your position on the issue of capital punishment, you should at least recognize that the issue should be handled with sensitivity and seriousness, not with the attitude expressed on that shirt, which publicly displays your desire to see a man dead. That comment was in relation to the shirt that calls for the execution of another human. The shirt is unnesscary, offensive, and only draws negative attention to yourself.

These shirts were sold by a foundation that created a scholarship fun in Danny Faulkners name. We wore them to a rally in Philly to support Danny's widow. That also isn't the worst of the shirts. There is one with a needle on the back that reads "Mumia your day is coming!"

I guess the "Free Mumia" shirts that fund his legal defense fund are okay though, eh?

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Python14
I'd say keep him alive...but quiet.

What is that supposed to mean?

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

These shirts were sold by a foundation that created a scholarship fun in Danny Faulkners name. We wore them to a rally in Philly to support Danny's widow. That also isn't the worst of the shirts. There is one with a needle on the back that reads "Mumia your day is coming!"

I guess the "Free Mumia" shirts that fund his legal defense fund are okay though, eh?

I think it's incredible that the people who support his execution are condemning murder, but they themselves are advocating violence.

Not referring to you specifically, 1stdeadeye, more to the shirts with the needles.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by paintballguy429

Even if he admitted his guilt to a friend, the courts failed to provide a fair, unbiased trial.

Mumia didn't give Danny a fair trial before he shot him in the back did he?

Mumia got a fair trial. It is hard to win when your own brother testifies as an eyewitness against you!

Obviously we will never see eye to eye on the name-calling, so i guess I'll just give that one up.

We should just agree to disagree on this topic as you will not change my mind nor I yours!

**Lopy-slopy** · 10-09-2003, 08:15 PM

Well let's see....
Amnesty International's condemnations and reports saved how many Iraqi lives from Saddam's madness? 0

The Invasion freed the country......Hmmm which approach was more effective.

Nobody "wanted" the war. Sometimes it is the only course of action left though.

OH MY GOD THAT IS SO *POOF* BYAST
You are just spouting american propiganda out your *POOF AGAIN*. The reports helped the world take notice of the situation in iraq and they collected money for aid in iraq.
Try taking a look at more than one side of the story for a change.

How many lives were lost in Bush's madness? huh. It's too early too tell if this new govenrment is going to help out at all. It is very hard to rebuild a war torn country and iraq could just go back down the same road again. There are always other ways of maintaing national security for the us than invading other countrys county. You can't say it was just to help the people of iraq, because the US will not go to war for that reason, there is always a better(from their point of view) reason. WW1, money, WW2 money. various attacks on the middle east, oil, and "national security" this last time. Explain why they have turned a blind eye to africa right now?

Let's watch the cussing, shall we?

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by paintballguy429

I think it's incredible that the people who support his execution are condemning murder, but they themselves are advocating violence.

Not referring to you specifically, 1stdeadeye, more to the shirts with the needles.

Nothing violent about lethal injection. They lie you down, pop in the IV and put you to sleep.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:22 PM

First, you should know that cursing is not allowed on AO.

Second it is spelled BIASED.

Third, how many countries in Africa are: A) Supporting Terrorists B) Attempting to develop WMD C) Powder keg in a very strategic part of the world.

Rebuilding a war torn country or living under a murderous dictator? Tough choice, eh?

How much aid money reached the Iraqi people...NADA! Saddam and his sons stole all they could.

As for your other comments...WWII..Pearl Harbor ring a bell? Also, the Germans declared war on us, not the other way around.

By the way the lives lost in Bush's "Madness" are far fewer then taken by Saddam's reign of terror and murder. Did you not see the mass graves and warehouses full of his victims?

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by paintballguy429

Even if he admitted his guilt to a friend, the courts failed to provide a fair, unbiased trial.

Mumia didn't give Danny a fair trial before he shot him in the back did he?

Mumia got a fair trial. It is hard to win when your own brother testifies as an eyewitness against you!

Obviously we will never see eye to eye on the name-calling, so i guess I'll just give that one up.

We should just agree to disagree on this topic as you will not change my mind nor I yours!

WOW. So are you arguing that suspected criminals do not deserve a fair trial?

Take one minute, step back and look at yourself.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by paintballguy429

WOW. So are you arguing that suspected criminals do not deserve a fair trial?

Take one minute, step back and look at yourself.

You are new to AO, so let me explain.

=sarcasm.

Mumia got a fair trial. To retry him now when witnesses memories have faded or they have died is unfair to society and the Widow Faulkner. Enough judges have looked at this case to make me feel comfortable with executing this man. He still has the Federal Appeals Court and Supreme Court ahead of him, so he'll be around another few years.

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Nothing violent about lethal injection. They lie you down, pop in the IV and put you to sleep.

I think you just proved a point for me.

Anyone who uses a smiley face when talking about the death penalty needs to re-evaluate their morals.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-09-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by paintballguy429

I think you just proved a point for me.

Anyone who uses a smiley face when talking about the death penalty needs to re-evaluate their morals.

Again as you are new to AO, let me explain.

=goof or a joke meant to lighten the mood when things get to heated. Remember we are in the "Friendly" corner of AO.

=Just ribbing you.

**paintballguy429** · 10-09-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

First, you should know that cursing is not allowed on AO.

Second it is spelled BIASED.

Third, how many countries in Africa are: A) Supporting Terrorists B) Attempting to develop WMD C) Powder keg in a very strategic part of the world.

Rebuilding a war torn country or living under a murderous dictator? Tough choice, eh?

How much aid money reached the Iraqi people...NADA! Saddam and his sons stole all they could.

As for your other comments...WWII..Pearl Harbor ring a bell? Also, the Germans declared war on us, not the other way around.

By the way the lives lost in Bush's "Madness" are far fewer then taken by Saddam's reign of terror and murder. Did you not see the mass graves and warehouses full of his victims?

Proof of supporting terrorists? Proof of development of WMD?

If you want to talk about Pearl Harbor, lets think about it.

Pre-emptive war? Pearl Harbor was a pre-emptive attack made by the Japanese because they viewed the US as a threat. Invasion of Iraq is a pre-emptive strike because Bush viewed Iraq as a threat. Similar?

This is why I hate the French, well really the Parisians!

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