This is why I hate the French, well really the Parisians!

[ShooterJM]

paintballguy429 makes me want to drink heavily. What a sad, yet oddly facinating, perverted world view.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
paintballguy429 makes me want to drink heavily. What a sad, yet oddly facinating, perverted world view.

Pull up a barstool my friend!

[1stdeadeye]

Here is the other side of the arguement. It makes for great reading: Justice for Danny Faulkner

The actual trial transcripts are here!

You can also purchase a T-Shirt like mine if you like.

There is also a response to the Amnesty International report here.

Hey CB, 429, and everyone else read this!!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
[BThe prosecution ILLEGALLY kept African-American jurors off the jury[/B]

There were actually 4 African Americans seated on the jury. Mumia struck one off with one of his pre-emptory challanges. There were still 3 African Americans on the jury or at least 25%.

So maybe you should read www.danielfaulkner.com for some case facts and not propaganda.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
[B}


Oh and did I mention that we are going to make sure that YOU don't violate any of these unjustly convicted and or accused persons civil rights when they kill or rape or burgalerize, or maim you and or your family by attempting to hold them to YOUR ideas of justice.



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So you are suggesting that cops are above the law?

[paintballguy429]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by paintballguy429
Yes, your lie. You said the AI had not condemned the human rights violations of Iraq. That is a lie. I just gave you proof as to why it was a lie.

Yeah, it's easy for them to issue a press release or two and then put their efforts into Anti-Americanism.

Sadaam Hussein was an evil, opressive dictator who slaughtered his people. Just because some people believe that the invasion of a country is not the best way to promote human rights does not make them "anti-american". Nice try though.

Right. So Amnesty's official posistion was:

Saddam is bad and hurts his people, but nothing should be done about it because AMerican is the most evil place on earth and all they want is the oil.

Keep thinking Amnesty International is a force of good. They are psychotic zealots bent on taking on the US. That is all.

It is not Anti-American to criticize government policies. That is democracy in action.

They never said America was the most evil place on Earth, and just because they aren't brainwashed into thinking that the US can do no wrong does not make them any less credible.

The real "psychotic zealots" are people like you who dub anyone who disagrees with American policies is a nut. CRITICIZING GOVERNMENT POLICIES IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO UNFAIRLY LABEL THOSE WHO DISSENT, ARE.

[paintballguy429]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by paintballguy429
I never argued that they did, I simply said that Albino was wrong. He should do his research before talking. Actually, AI's proclamations have called attention to numerous issues which later lead to the prevention of inhumane executions and the freedom of political prisoners.

Remember when American prisoners were taken in Iraq, and tortured and the like? You know what Amnesty International's posistion was?

That both sides are treating prisoners inhumanly because the US has Al Queda illegal combatants at Gitmo. It then went on to explain for several paragraphs the US abuses, meanwhile it had been know about the abuse of our prisoners. Not one word was said.

When the attack began Amnesty Internation immediatly decried the human rights abuses of the US during a war that was 2 hours old. Nothing about Saddam putting weapons of war in schools and hospitals though.

Amnesty Internation is frankly an organization that cannot be trusted. They have their agenda and they follor it. The truth doesn't even enter into the picture.

No. They made valid points about human rights abuses on both sides. It's not their fault that people like you only want to hear what they want to hear, and nothing that criticizes the US. Because, of course, criticizing US policies is "anti-american", isn't it?

[paintballguy429]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by paintballguy429
I think it's incredible that the people who support his execution are condemning murder, but they themselves are advocating violence.

Wait, murder is against the law, and (currently) executing a murderer is not. We support the legal execution of a person that broke a law. Due process has been served, and continues to be.

I can't stand it when people use this moral equivilance nonsense. Those are the same kinds of people that say casualties from an Israeli attack on a terrorist's bomb making workshop are the same as two children being intentionall gunned down in the street by Hamas terrorists. It is not the same, it is different. Murdering a cop and being executed after a conviction are two entirly different things.

True, their is a moral distinction to be made when talking about killing the innocent and killing the guilty. However, the principle remains interesting that the government finds it nesscary to condemn killing, with killing.

And, in case you haven't heard, suspected terrorists are not the only ones being killed in Israeli raids.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by CasingBill


Fine, then you should have no reason to not accept the fact that the death penalty was already in place. This is the punishment for the crime. I can understand that you want it changed, even though I totally disagree, but this law is already in effect.

And he did not receive a fair trial. Everyone accused of a crime has the right to one, and I think we should be even more concerned over fairness when issues of life and death are at stake.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


So you are suggesting that cops are above the law?

Hardly, but I am going to give THEM the benefit of the doubt over some convict and his apologists.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


And he did not receive a fair trial. Everyone accused of a crime has the right to one, and I think we should be even more concerned over fairness when issues of life and death are at stake.

HE GOT A FAIR TRIAL!!!

Please look here!

They debunk the Mumia Myths 1 by 1 using the actual trial transcripts. Mumia's supporters are the ones falsely proclaiming that his trial was unfair. It was a circus however, one that Mumia himself created and encouraged!

[CasingBill]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


And he did not receive a fair trial. Everyone accused of a crime has the right to one, and I think we should be even more concerned over fairness when issues of life and death are at stake.

Bull...the basic facts of the trial will not change. The testimonies will not change. He is still just as guilty.

[-Carnifex-]

That's not a reason to hate the French, rather the mayor of Paris.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
That's not a reason to hate the French, rather the mayor of Paris.

I can hate them all equally, I don't discriminate.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
No. They made valid points about human rights abuses on both sides. It's not their fault that people like you only want to hear what they want to hear, and nothing that criticizes the US. Because, of course, criticizing US policies is "anti-american", isn't it?

Hold the phone.

Amnesty international is claiming that the treatment of our prisoners in Iraq was justified because of the way we treat prisoners in Gitmo. Do you want to know what they're complaint is about the treatment of the prisoners? Is it that they're not fed? Is it that they're tortured? Is it that they're denied religious freedom? NO.

It's that they don't know when they'll be free and it's causing them to feel forlorn!

They're massive Human rights abuse is that the enemy unlawful combatants want to go home and we won't let them. If we freed them wouldn't that sort of negate the whole prisoner concept?