This is why I hate the French, well really the Parisians!

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You are new to AO, so let me explain. =sarcasm.

Mumia got a fair trial. To retry him now when witnesses memories have faded or they have died is unfair to society and the Widow Faulkner. Enough judges have looked at this case to make me feel comfortable with executing this man. He still has the Federal Appeals Court and Supreme Court ahead of him, so he'll be around another few years.

To retry him is essential for the sake of justice. His trial was full of lies, intimidation, irrelevant evidence (his politics), and racism. If you are so convinced of his guilt, another trial shouldnt be an issue.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


Proof of supporting terrorists? Proof of development of WMD?

I guess the terrorist training camp wasn't proof enough? As for the WMD, there have been traces. I will reserve judgement until everything is revealed.

If you want to talk about Pearl Harbor, lets think about it.

Suprise attack.

Pre-emptive war? Pearl Harbor was a pre-emptive attack made by the Japanese because they viewed the US as a threat. Invasion of Iraq is a pre-emptive strike because Bush viewed Iraq as a threat. Similar?

Let's see a suprise attack versus and announced war. Not much to compare. Saddam had over 10 years to comply with the UN mandates and the terms of surrender he agreed to afet GWI. Bush gave him every opportunity to avoid the war up until it started.

Yeah, maybe you are right. It is just like Pearl Harbor.

=me mocking you okay?

[Python14]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


To retry him is essential for the sake of justice. His trial was full of lies, intimidation, irrelevant evidence (his politics), and racism. If you are so convinced of his guilt, another trial shouldnt be an issue.

You do realize all of those factors are mentioned in hate crime trials.

Everyone gets his day in court, and his just happened to suck.

He's guilty. If you can't see that, then you've got problems.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


To retry him is essential for the sake of justice. His trial was full of lies, intimidation, irrelevant evidence (his politics), and racism. If you are so convinced of his guilt, another trial shouldnt be an issue.

You can't keep retrying someone because you did not like the verdict. If the courts say it was fair, then it was. Cases like these bog down our legal system. It is not up to the public to grant a new trial it is up to the judicial system. If there was no reversable error, then Mumia must stand by the judgement of the 12 citizens who convicted him. End of story.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by paintballguy429


Proof of supporting terrorists? Proof of development of WMD?

I guess the terrorist training camp wasn't proof enough? As for the WMD, there have been traces. I will reserve judgement until everything is revealed.

If you want to talk about Pearl Harbor, lets think about it.

Suprise attack.

Pre-emptive war? Pearl Harbor was a pre-emptive attack made by the Japanese because they viewed the US as a threat. Invasion of Iraq is a pre-emptive strike because Bush viewed Iraq as a threat. Similar?

Let's see a suprise attack versus and announced war. Not much to compare. Saddam had over 10 years to comply with the UN mandates and the terms of surrender he agreed to afet GWI. Bush gave him every opportunity to avoid the war up until it started.

Yeah, maybe you are right. It is just like Pearl Harbor.

=me mocking you okay?

Why would Hussein comply with orders to disarm, when the United States has helped Israel build up it's arsenal, violating UN treaties?

You have a valid point with the announced vs. unannounced attacks, however the demands on Iraq were unreasonable considering the fact that it was coming from some of the most armed and militarily strong countries of the world.

[deathstalker]

Second it is spelled BIASED.

I find it ironic that 1stdeadeye is correcting the spelling of others. I'm still trying to find the New Your Post's website. I guess you're blinded by hatred.

Rebuilding a war torn country or living under a murderous dictator? Tough choice, eh?

Considering how many U.S. soldiers are still dying every week, I'd say there's a large segment of the Iraqi population who DOES want a dictator like Saddam rather than a government instituted by the U.S.

Nothing violent about lethal injection. They lie you down, pop in the IV and put you to sleep.

If I did this to you, it would be considered pre-meditated murder. Why is it different when the government condones it?

Agian, this is punishment that he knew about before he committed the crime.

Are you aware of the various punishments for the crimes in your state? I doubt it. I've been living in Illinois for over 20 years and I only recently found out that driving 40+ MPH over the limit is considered reckless driving (I thought it was 30), and I consider this trivial. I am ignorant of which crimes, specifically, would get me jail time. I'm pretty sure we no longer have capital punishment in this state, but I'm not even sure of that.

The American legal system (I refuse to refer to it as a justice system) is a farce. There is a strong correlation between your net worth and the chances you will be found not guilty of a crime. I also wonder why the verdict is "not guilty" instead of "innocent." Many people's lives are ruined because they are falsely accused of a crime. Just the fact that they are charged with a crime can haunt them for the rest of their life.

Need more proof there are problems with the legal system? O.J. Simpson is a free man. The evidence against him is overwhelming, yet he was not found guilty. The fact that he lost a civil suit against him does nothing to support the verdict of the previous trial.

I'm also trying to figure out why people who support a new trial, because the first was a travesty of the legal system, are almost being branded that they think Mumia is innocent. At no time whatsoever has anyone recommended a new trial because his innocence is in question. If you are ever in a position when you need an impartial jury of your peers, I hope your day in court doesn't "suck."

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by paintballguy429

Gee, I wonder how upset the murdered cops family is.

Or would that be too harsh for you.

Want a judgement for this guys past?

He ought to be rotting in an unmarked grave somewhere instead of wasting my tax dollars and the community oxygen.

See, this is a simple thing really and I don't find it exactly difficult to avoid...

Shooting Police Officers in the back in cold blooded murder is considered bad in this country.

Now, I realise that you brian dead liberals that can find ZERO fault with this kind of behaviour think that this is, in your words, "Fascist".

So I propose this solution to the problem. Every dirtbag terrorist, every CONVICTED murderer, every wife beating, baby killing, house robbing, woman raping scumbag that you seem to think has been given a raw deal by the "Fascists" in this country under the law of the land gets to live with you.

You get to keep track of them. You get to pay to house, feed, and cloth them. You get to make sure that none of them ever again presents a danger to society, which I am sure you will be more than happy to provide.

In addition to this, you will be responsible for their legal fees. Obviously since you think their trials, under our judicial system, was unfair, I think it's only fair that you pick up the tab to pay for one YOU think is fair. Maybe you and The Boy could have a bake sale or something to raise the funds for this. I'll even buy the first dozen cookies.


Oh and did I mention that we are going to make sure that YOU don't violate any of these unjustly convicted and or accused persons civil rights when they kill or rape or burgalerize, or maim you and or your family by attempting to hold them to YOUR ideas of justice.

After all, who are YOU to say that some hard line Muslim terrorist shouldn't be allowed to beat your women because they had the nerve to act all free and stuff.

So how about it. Are you going to step up and put your money where your mouth is?

Or am I and every other law abiding tax paying cit going to have to continue to do so, all the while being castigated by apologists for murderers?

[-J�ker-]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


I agree, murder is terrible, however, I find it equally ironic that we condemn murder with killing.

true,but_what_do_you_think_we_should_do?ship_murde rers_to_mars?

[FactsOfLife]

true,but_what_do_you_think_we_should_do?ship_murde rers_to_mars?

It's a start.

And buy a new keyboard!

[Fred]

make the hurting stop....

I've only read the first page... and the amount of stupidity is making my head hurt...

CB- you need to get your own thoughts, rather than regurgitating the BS your profs are feeding you that you are so eagerly sucking up... wash your nose while you're at it.

1DE is right on with this one.


I wonder how much an assassin like "Ronin" would be to mop up all the convicted criminals hiding in France...

Albino- I'm gonna be quoting your sig in my sig from now on...

---Fred

[Army]

Bringing his personal activities as evidence to a trial, is known as background, and is quite relevant to "state of mind". It is a common ploy used by prosecutor and defense equally.

His admitting 100% guilt to the murder, makes the trial and verdict rather moot, doesn't it?

Amnesty International has been condemned by OTHER human rights organizations, for being far too biased towards the alledged "victims", regardless of the illegal activity they performed.

OK, answer me this: Since officer Faulkner was in firing position to shoot, this would place him facing TOWARDS Mumia. Danny was shot in the back, fully in the back, not a glancing hit, not angled. There was no way for officer Faulkner to fire in Mumia's direction, with his back towards him, in the few brief moments of the incident. In stress situations, training automatically takes over. Danny's training would make his brain move his body to face the threat. It's uncontrollable, and happens unconsciously....which is why you train to do it. So, how can anyone say the killing was in Mumia's "self-defense"?

ALL the evidence, including the on-the-scene eye-witness' sworn testimony, and Mumia's OWN ADMITTANCE of guilt, have never been called into question. Only the way the trial was presented has been disputed. Appeals to higher US Courts are a normal part of murder convictions, AI has grossly perverted that to mean that somehow the trial itself should be in question.

The death penalty is just that, a PENALTY. Not a warning, or coercion, nor a deterrent. It is the ultimate sentence for mans crimes against man.

As to Paris claiming him to be some sort of hero....well, they think David Hasselhof is a highly talented singer and actor

[Collegeboy]

Re: make the hurting stop....

Originally posted by Fred


CB- you need to get your own thoughts, rather than regurgitating the BS your profs are feeding you that you are so eagerly sucking up... wash your nose while you're at it.


---Fred

Really can anyone come up with any news ones. How many times has some misguided person said this to me and every time they have been wrong. My ideas are my ideas; they are not from a teacher of mine, or anything.

Maybe go to college first before you tell me how I come to my ideas.

[breg]

Does anyone else see this thread closing soon?

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by paintballguy429
Yes, your lie. You said the AI had not condemned the human rights violations of Iraq. That is a lie. I just gave you proof as to why it was a lie.

Yeah, it's easy for them to issue a press release or two and then put their efforts into Anti-Americanism.

Sadaam Hussein was an evil, opressive dictator who slaughtered his people. Just because some people believe that the invasion of a country is not the best way to promote human rights does not make them "anti-american". Nice try though.

Right. So Amnesty's official posistion was:

Saddam is bad and hurts his people, but nothing should be done about it because AMerican is the most evil place on earth and all they want is the oil.

Keep thinking Amnesty International is a force of good. They are psychotic zealots bent on taking on the US. That is all.

[shartley]

Originally posted by breg
Does anyone else see this thread closing soon?

Gets my vote.....

Pearl Harbor VS Iraq..... don't get me started.

Also, if they just exicute this scumbag it will take away everyone's reason to argue.