Al Qaeda materials found in Iraq!

[1stdeadeye]

The Army's 82nd Airborne captured an Iraqi weapons cache and found Al Qaeda materials behind a false wall. I guess maybe Iraq was supporting AlQaeda then, eh?

Link to story!

[Collegeboy]

So they found videos from Al Queda in some building in Iraq and that means that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US. Sorry, but one plus two isn't adding up to 3 in this case.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So they found videos from Al Queda in some building in Iraq and that means that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US. Sorry, but one plus two isn't adding up to 3 in this case.

I know. One plus one equals two here!

[Albinonewt]

Deadeye, I don't know why you even bothered to post that.

The Al Queda link has been proven to be, at the very least, a plausible and perhaps likely possibility to all but the most ardent blind people. To anyone with the ability to reason and add up links the connection between the two has been, if not proven to exist, proven to be very very possible.

To the followers of "we hate Bush everything he does is evil" there's no proving it. They won't even stand for the possibilty that terrorists living in Saddam's capital had even the loosest affiliation with him. They are hopeless and beyond the ability to think of things as they exist in the world. Frankly, they're so blinded by their hatred they've willingly become complete and total idiots.

So you see, there's the sensible people who already suspected a connection and there's the non-sensible people that wouldn't have been convinced if we had video fottage of Saddam being Bin Laden's best man at his wedding.

[yeahthatsme]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Deadeye, I don't know why you even bothered to post that.

The Al Queda link has been proven to be, at the very least, a plausible and perhaps likely possibility to all but the most ardent blind people. To anyone with the ability to reason and add up links the connection between the two has been, if not proven to exist, proven to be very very possible.

To the followers of "we hate Bush everything he does is evil" there's no proving it. They won't even stand for the possibilty that terrorists living in Saddam's capital had even the loosest affiliation with him. They are hopeless and beyond the ability to think of things as they exist in the world. Frankly, they're so blinded by their hatred they've willingly become complete and total idiots.

So you see, there's the sensible people who already suspected a connection and there's the non-sensible people that wouldn't have been convinced if we had video fottage of Saddam being Bin Laden's best man at his wedding.

for that to be true you'd have to trust the government



disclaimer: the statements made in this post do not in any way reflect the ideals or beliefs of the poster(me)

[Albinonewt]

I was actually going to make a thread tonight about the WMD, but rather then make a new one I'll post here.

Did you hear the reports that Saddam may have spilled about the WMD he had? Now, they're only reports right now but they may prove to be true. Can you imagine? What a disaster for France, Germany, Koffi Annan and of course the Democractic contenders if that prooves to be true.

I'm not saying it's definite, but it's a very very interesting notion. If I were Syria I'd be making bargains right about now.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So they found videos from Al Queda in some building in Iraq and that means that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US....

Looks that way to me too!

[Collegeboy]

There is a difference from someone operating in your boarders, especially in areas where you have no control (can you say in US protection (what about the proof that said that the Al Queda camps were in Kurdish areas, so should we now attack them for they are supporting our enemies?)) and a nation systematically supporting someone. The same proof that proves Iraq and Al Queda connections can be probably used to prove a US and Al Queda connection.


Edited to remove mistakes and not necessary posting.

I am sorry CPhillip, there is no way that some videos in some building somewhere in the country means the government is guilty of something. To say that is true must mean that the government of the US is communist for I have a couple copies of the communist manifesto, along with just about every student in this country probably has or has had a copy of it.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
1de I don't even know why you bothered posting that, those who believe that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US, proof means nothing. For the crowd of we will blindly follow a man as long as he says two good words, proof isn't in their vocabulary.

You're incapable of reading what I wrote. I am, as I always am, cautious of saying that definitly things are one way or another. However, the abudance of evidence that has been unearther over the last year or so, from AL Queda members being in Baghdad, meeting with Iraqi intelligence officers, funds from Iraq finding their way into Al Queda leads me to believe that at SOME level there was almost certainly a connection. There is simply too much evidence from too many places to simply label it yet another "Bush lied" conspiracy. Now, I remain a believer that Saddam had no direct role in 9/11, but I am becoming increasing convinced that he either was in league or association with the terrorists are was getting ready to be in league with them. Either way, "Danger Will Robinson"

For those who demand proof and reason to find an answer knows that their is a difference from someone operating in your boarders,

You don't demand proof though. If that were the case you would have maintained an open mind, but you haven't. You've constantly maintained that there was no connection at all and it was insanse to believe otherwise. You are not seeking proof, your mind has been made up and it can't be changed.

especially in areas where you have no control (can you say in US protection (what about the proof that said that the Al Queda camps where in Kurdish areas, so should we now attack them for they are supporting are enemies?))

I'm perfectly willing to stipulate that Saddam had little if any control or influence in certain nothern areas, however, the terrorist prescence in Baghdad is not the same as in Kurdish territory. Therefore I count the northern prescence as proof that the Kurds may have been supporters (to some degree) and the Baghdad prescence as proof of a connection to Saddam (in some degree). You use the nothern connection as a way of minimizing the Baghdad connection, which is more evidence of your closed mind.

and a nation systematically supporting someone. The same proof that proves Iraq and Al Queda connections can be probably used to prove a US and Al Queda connection.

Well, that's an interesting point, but it doesn't work that way. First, there is (to my knowledge) no present evidence of anyone in our government collaberating with Al Queda (and I don't mean 20 years ago a guy met a guy, we know all that). However, even if there was it wouldn't mean that our government was working with Bin Laden. Because America isn't controlled by one tyrant who rules every aspect of life with an iron fist it is possible to deal with members of the government, perhaps in their oficial capacity, without being supported by the government. It is conceivable for a handfull of immigration workers to manage to sneak some terrorists into the country using their official capapbilities while NOT representing the government. In the case of Saddam it really isn't very plausible that multiple members of multiple different Iraqi govenment agencies (controlled entirely by him) could meet terrorists without him having some knowledge and consent of it.

In the end truth will prevail and Bush will be out of office. And all that is good will rejoice.

You mean the people that wnted the Iraqis to remain subjugated will rejoice? Did I miss a meeting or something? When we start calling them the good guys?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
I was actually going to make a thread tonight about the WMD, but rather then make a new one I'll post here.

Did you hear the reports that Saddam may have spilled about the WMD he had? Now, they're only reports right now but they may prove to be true. Can you imagine? What a disaster for France, Germany, Koffi Annan and of course the Democractic contenders if that prooves to be true.

I'm not saying it's definite, but it's a very very interesting notion. If I were Syria I'd be making bargains right about now.

I feel certain he did with some of them. And that would explain why he never had any documented distruction to show. He never did it until he had to just dump it. Some of that stuff is fairly fragile and time sensitive as well. So it has to be fresh and stored properly. I am fairly certain they did not care much where the old degraded stuff went. And the evidence will be still there. Most of the nerve agents will be identified as Pesticide precursors. We already found large amounts of those and for a low agricultural society a bit far fetched to know why there was that much! And the biological stuff is degrading fast in that environment. And yes it will be an ecological catastrope. But not any worse so than some areas of Russia so polluted that you cannot go near them without dying. Thats something you don't hear much about now a days but its the case. A beautifull land so spoiled by crazy rulers for a long time. Mad people do strange things sometimes. I am pretty sure there is still plenty of evidence though. But contaminated soil and sand doesn't exactly look like a bomb anymore. Time will tell. Until we have searched it all (will take a Looooooog time) in every way (physicaly, mechanicaly and anyliticaly) we will not know of certain. Heck its gonna take a long time just do the the physical seach.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I am sorry CPhillip, there is no way that some videos in some building somewhere in the country means the government is guilty of something. To say that is true must mean that the government of the US is communist for I have a couple copies of the communist manifesto, along with just about every student in this country probably has or has had a copy of it.

Oh no of course I agree with that CB. Not that alone of course. I was speaking of all the mounting evidence that that one item just builds upon. It makes a case at some point. And thats just another nail in the coffin.

[Collegeboy]

See you have me all wrong ABN (just like every time you try to tell me what I am). I make a statement that there isn't any proof that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US for at this point there isn't any. I say that they wasn't for the information at this point says no. If you remember my post here and in others thread I opened it up to the possibility that maybe there might be a connection. But I said it would be small and not of importance, for the same can be used to show a connection between all countries (or a lot).

The evidence that has come forth is rather small. All countries entertains talks with foreign governments or foreign agencies or foreign groups no matter how bad they are. Sometimes money exchanges hand in this meetings to keep one side quiet or to keep one side from attacking the other, or what ever minimum action.

To find proof of Iraq and AL Queda working together for the destruction of the US, would mean a lot more then what has been found.

I love how the US turns a blind eye to proof that its ally or its example of oppressed has gone against them.

Sorry Cphilip that I mistook your words.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I love how the US turns a blind eye to proof that its ally or its example of oppressed has gone against the

Again CB... let's leave the politics out. We are tying to discuss world events and activities here. If you want me to keep it civil just do not go there. And I did see you attempted to do this by editing your first post. I noted that. But it was there nonetheless for a minute...

Also lets not try and sterio type "All Americans" by saying things like "The US" does this or "the US" thinks that... etc. Thats not really accurate in any way and you know it. I mean hell You ARE THE US CB! So you think that? I don't think you would like it if I tried to think for you either. And its not helpfull to your argument. The US thinks a lot of different things and you certainly do not know what all of them are. So lets keep it to the event and facts. Period. That goes for everyone.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
See you have me all wrong ABN (just like every time you try to tell me what I am). I make a statement that there isn't any proof that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US for at this point there isn't any. I say that they wasn't for the information at this point says no. If you remember my post here and in others thread I opened it up to the possibility that maybe there might be a connection. But I said it would be small and not of importance, for the same can be used to show a connection between all countries (or a lot).

Actually, I belive this quote by you in this threadCB caught in another lie shows otherwise "Hussein and Al Queda are not linked together, one day you will realize that which is easy to realize"

Well, not hard to see why I think you said that, you did.

Or this gem

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Or this
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Or this
"The report said that Al queda was stationed around the Kurdish Villages, where Saddam can't be at. I find it funny for Bush is telling Saddam to do something that Bush is giving protection to, and Saddam can't do anything about.

Do you think Saddam giving the chance would push his enemies out (yes Al Queda and Saddam ar enemies)? I think Saddam would do it in a heart beat."

Or this
[i]"Like it or not the only thing keeping Bin Laden and his ideology out of Iraq is Saddam.[/i}"



The evidence that has come forth is rather small. All countries entertains talks with foreign governments or foreign agencies or foreign groups no matter how bad they are. Sometimes money exchanges hand in this meetings to keep one side quiet or to keep one side from attacking the other, or what ever minimum action.

Not all countried deal with terrorist organizations in the manner that Saddam is alleged to. They do not all provide safe harbor, training, and funds.

To find proof of Iraq and AL Queda working together for the destruction of the US, would mean a lot more then what has been found.

I don't care what they were working together to achieve. It doesn't matter. What matters is that there is a very good chance of cooperation to some degree and that's enough to make me very nerveous. Especially if the claims of small portable WMD are true. If both are true then I'd say that could be a very big problem, and worth looking into and fixing, immediatly.

I love how the US turns a blind eye to proof that its ally or its example of oppressed has gone against them.

Huh?

[Collegeboy]

Again ABN shows he can not understand a post. You just proved what I said.

" I make a statement that there isn't any proof that Saddam and Al Queda are working together for the destruction of the US for at this point there isn't any. I say that they wasn't for the information at this point says no."

Funny how you leave out other quotes, please be truthful next time.

Not all countried deal with terrorist organizations in the manner that Saddam is alleged to. They do not all provide safe harbor, training, and funds.

No just a lot of them including the US.

the last statement is the US reluctance to see the Kurdish militants as terrorist or its quickness to separate Kurdish terrorist from Kurds but its reluctance to separate Palestinian terrorist from Palestinians.