Al Qaeda materials found in Iraq!

[Sir_Brass]

So do the Jews. Their land claim is more rightfully their's b/c their land claim is thousands upon thousands of years old, signed by God Himself. I don't think the UN has any power when it comes to that .

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
CB, you wonder why the US is now so hated in the world, and I can answer that. The reason is that we are doing the right thing. People hate that. We're hated b/c we're doing what is right and when other countries object b/c the right thing we're doing interfere's with their quest to become more wealthy, well, we get hated for that. Fine. I don't care. What is more important: finally bringing justice to an oppressed people when we should've done so years before, or not interfering in France's illegal business dealings?

Answer that CB. What's more important: bringing justice to a land crying out for it, or is it more important to be liked? Answer one or the other, and don't you DARE sidetrack this question.

Sometimes we are doing what is right, sometimes we are not. Most of the times we have a right idea, but it is masked by other ambitions or ours and by the way in which we do it, and the way we pick and choose.

The US will not bring justice to Iraq, that is what I am saying. I want Justice brought to Iraq, but it can not happen through force.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
So do the Jews. Their land claim is more rightfully their's b/c their land claim is thousands upon thousands of years old, signed by God Himself. I don't think the UN has any power when it comes to that .

The Palestinians claim is back by god too.

[Butterfingers]

CB how many times have you been proven wrong already? Instead of ignoring our rebuttals that dont fit your little crystal ball theory, if you will open your OWN eyes you will see that its been proven youre at the very least ignorant. Perhaps brainwashed?

You have failed to provide arguements or rebuttals that address the facts presented. You just spout opinion ignoring the concerns of others. Hence your arguement holds no merit. Do you get it now?

I dont see you getting an apology anytime in the near future.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


The Palestinians claim is back by god too.

So now the Arabs believe in God?

oh and answer the question.

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


So now the Arabs believe in God?

oh and answer the question.

actually, they claim they have for a long while, with the distinction being those who are actually following Islam b/c they believe it is the truth and those who USE Islam to further their goals.

Still, the thing is that their claim cannot be pointed to really, while the Jews have the arc of the covenant and the written account of God's covenant with them.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass


actually, they claim they have for a long while, with the distinction being those who are actually following Islam b/c they believe it is the truth and those who USE Islam to further their goals.

Still, the thing is that their claim cannot be pointed to really, while the Jews have the arc of the covenant and the written account of God's covenant with them.

Exactly.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
CB how many times have you been proven wrong already? Instead of ignoring our rebuttals that dont fit your little crystal ball theory, if you will open your OWN eyes you will see that its been proven youre at the very least ignorant. Perhaps brainwashed?

You have failed to provide arguements or rebuttals that address the facts presented. You just spout opinion ignoring the concerns of others. Hence your arguement holds no merit. Do you get it now?

I dont see you getting an apology anytime in the near future.

I proved that my statements were not racist and the post that started it all just said that nationalism will not allow democracy to work.

I have presented facts and then my opinions based on those facts. The other said has not said anything more then what I have rebutted. If you fail to see the truth or what is more truth, that is your fault. I am sorry that you have to hide behind the facilities to justify your position.

Still waiting for an apology.

FOL, they have always believed in God.

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I proved that my statements were not racist and the post that started it all just said that nationalism will not allow democracy to work.

I have presented facts and then my opinions based on those facts.

Proven? How? If your posts are your proof then your kind of proof is Moore's kind of proof: only you seen to believe it.

I have seen ZERO proof from you, and what facts you HAVE presented have reeked so much of liberal propoganda that you can't tell if the facts have been twisted or if they were simply made up.

[Southpaw]

Post a link in this thread where someone called you a racist before you started complaining about it. I looked and didn't find one. He is not going to apologies. I would suggest you get over it and not post about it or wait for someone to call you a racist (in that thread that is) and respond to it.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Then answer this simple question CB, when Arafat had 95% of what he was asking for virually handed to him on a platter, why did he turn it down?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

answer the question.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
Funny ABN, sometimes I wonder if you have a very short memory span or forget things that damage your beliefs. My belief in this area is that BOTH parties are wrong in what they do.

How many times have I had to fight with you saying it was OK for the Palestinians to target civillians because Israel can go to a 100% deployment level and thus they're targeting the military? MOre then once Bucko.

Palestine was a victim of Israel and the other Arabic states own aggression (read up on the haganah, please go ahead).

Palestine is a victim of it's own inability to stop trying to fight Israel. If it would stop, it would have a better existance.

It is wrong what the Palestinian terrorist groups do (thus different from Palestinians), and what the IDF and the government of Israel does.

Close, but no cigar. It is wrong of the terrorists to kill civillians. It is wrong of the Palestinian government to harbor those terrorists, or at the very least to not oppose them. It is right for the IDF to fight those terrorists and it is right for the Israeli government to not cede territory while the terror continues

I lean more to the side of Palestine only because they are refuges in their own country. They are fighting for what is theirs.

No, they're fighting for what's now Israel's.

They tried peace before, and Israel wouldn't give them back their land. This matter is very gray, not black and white as some people believe.

Oh yeah? When? When did they try peace? Everytime Arafat comes to the table he asks for something, gets it, and then torpedoes it.

The US has and still to this day supports terrorism, the government trains, and sponsors certain terrorist groups that we find we can use.

Like who?

That is what I am saying, I am not sayin the US and Saddam are equal.

You said "The same proof that proves Iraq and Al Queda connections can be probably used to prove a US and Al Queda connection."

So shut up.

You are so quick to say that Al Queda and Saddam are one because of a few little information,

No, that's not what I said. I said that there was definitly a link, and to what extent the link was is, to me, irrelevant. Once the link is established it becomes possible for Saddam to traffic WMD through Al Queda, which is not a risk I find acceptable

but refuse to say the US and Al Queda are on based on the same little information, or other terrorist groups.

CB, what the hell are you talking about? What evidence of recent CIA collaberation with Al Queda do you know about? What you babbling about? There is mountains of evidence of a connection with Saddam and nothing with the US

Thus I said you are not looking at the situation openly and refuse to take off your blinders.

I'm sorry, when you accuse me of not being open minded after the nonsense you spill I vomit uncontrollably. SO try not to do that again, I'm running out of towells




And the truth shall set you free. Are you going to be a man now and apologies.

No, I'm not. You're a racist. A pure and simple racist. You have stated that because of their Muslim faith they can't self govern. You've said because of their Arab nationalism they can't self govern. And you said ALL kurds are terrorists.

Racist. Now stop bringing it up. Get over it.

I said that we will still be looking for Saddam, and that means what, I was wrong on one thing. I said that drugs will cost more and more for seniors, and under this piss poor plan they will cost more for seniors.

CB, you're incessantly wrong because you have the arrogance to think you can predict wholly unpredicable events.

The US was a ally of Saddam when he bombed the Kurds in the Iran/Iraq war. According to some with first hand knowledge we even entered into talks with him about the best war to use these gasses.

He didn't gas the Kurds as part of that war though. That he used those gasses on the Kurds was a bit of a suprise to us. Fighting the Kurds served no strategic interest for us, fighting the Iranians did.

But those links are shaky. But the links that we fought side by side with Iraq is not. Saddam was wrong in what he did, but also the government under Reagan and Bush was wrong too.

Maybe it was wrong to deal with Saddam, and I mean maybe. What would have happened if Iran's radicals had beaten Iraq? I honestly have no idea, but that was what the US was trying to prevent, and we suceeded. Unfortunatly that success did not come without a price.


The Infitada is a age old term used to describe the acts of the Palestine and other Arabs to drive the British out of Palestine. Also note the Jewish terrorist that fought along with the Palestinians to kick the British out.

ANd now they are trying to kill every Jew.



Uh-huh. You sure it wasn't because the stated mission of the Palestinians is to drive Israel to the sea?

If the land is granted to you by a peace treaty, then you did not take land by force.

Um, huh?

Why don't you ask the guys that fled from the tanks if it was taken by force. It's not Israel's fault that Palestine didn't feel like signing some papers after it got it's rear end kicked.

That was before the UN made it illegal.

So deal with it.

Don't know what you're talking about



Um, no, the matter is not cut and dry. And the Palestinians are entitled to nothing. Israel gave them nearly everthing they claimed to want and Arafat walked away. Palestine could be at peace right now but they walked away from the table.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Still waiting for an apology.

Keep waiting.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
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I said that we will still be looking for Saddam, and that means what, I was wrong on one thing. I said that drugs will cost more and more for seniors, and under this piss poor plan they will cost more for seniors.

Don't think so. That plan is more then seniors had before! It has caps and will help many low income seniors. High income seniors, bah, let them pay their own Rx!

The Infitada is a age old term used to describe the acts of the Palestine and other Arabs to drive the British out of Palestine. Also note the Jewish terrorist that fought along with the Palestinians to kick the British out.

Yes, and the Israeli Terrorists hit British Military Targets!


WRONG!!! The Palestinians did not recognize the right of Israel to EXIST!!! It is one of the main tenants of the PLO's chartter fro christ's sake! Also, the intifada is not about freeing land, it is about the destruction of Israel! Hamas, IJ, and Al ASqua Martyrs Brigade are all dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Again, look at their own attempts at peace. The Egyptians could not even get the terrorist organizations to agree that Israel has the right to exist. Build you wall Mr. Sharon, throw out the Palestinians on your side, empty the settlements on their side and call it a day. Remember, good fences make good neighbors!

If the land is granted to you by a peace treaty, then you did not take land by force.

A treaty signed at the point of a gun isn't much better then an iovasion and occupation is it?

That was before the UN made it illegal.

The UN has no power to make anything illegal. Their resolutions mean crap! Understand that. The UN is impotent, castrated, a do nothing corrupt organization leeching off the rest of the world. The UN was a big help in Rwanda wasn't it?


95% of something is better then 100% of nothing. The settlement that Arafat rejected gave him all the land the Palestinians wanted. The only thing not granted was the right of return. That will never happen. To have 2 million Palestinians return to Israel will destroy the country. The right of return is a non-starter. The Palestinians have to accept that. They did not and choose the path of war. They are getting their butts kicked. Hey IJ and Hamas have been pretty quite lately what with all of their leaders getting themselves blown up!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I proved that my statements were not racist and the post that started it all just said that nationalism will not allow democracy to work.

When you call a race of people terrorists (The Kurds) it kind of hurts your credibility!

Still waiting for an apology.


Hold your breath.......Please???