A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[aaron_mag]

Portland enters the national stage

Saw on the news last night that Portland, OR might be the next place to start issuing same sex marriage licenses. Man downtown is going to be a zoo if they actually do it. The huge lines of people wanting the marriage license, the protestors, the police....it is going to be a nightmare.

Personally don't have anything against it. We love to blame other people for "destroying morality, family values, and everything green and good on this earth." That is because we don't want to take responsibility for ourselves.

My thought is that if marriage is so sacred to you then spend more time making your own sacred and less time worrying what others are doing. My wife would probably tell me that she would consider me picking up my towels from the bathroom floor a definete way to make our marriage 'more sacred' in her eyes.

If all of this is 'offensive in the eyes of god' then rest assured that all of us sinners will get our just punishment in the here after FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!! So don't worry about it

[logamus]

as far as im concerned, if homosexuals want to get hitched, let em. gay marriage doesnt bother me one bit. if its legal to be gay, then what does it matter if they want to tie the knot too. as long as being gay is legal, gay marriage should be too.

[Rooster]

"as long as being gay is legal, gay marriage should be too."

as long as having two girlfriends is legal, polygamy should be legal too.

[logamus]

Originally posted by Rooster
as long as having two girlfriends is legal, polygamy should be legal too.

wheres the problem in that? why should i or you or anyone else care how many wives someone has. if my neighbor has 4 wives, how does that affect me? if my other neighbor is a married gay couple, how does that affect me? does that make my own marriage less "valid"? does that make me less of a christian? does it mean my son will grow up and marry 5 guys thus spawning polygamist gays? will the earth suddenly stop spinning launching us all into outspace?

other than ruffling the feathers of those closed minded people i dont see how this hurts anyone.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by logamus


wheres the problem in that? why should i or you or anyone else care how many wives someone has. if my neighbor has 4 wives, how does that affect me? if my other neighbor is a married gay couple, how does that affect me? does that make my own marriage less "valid"? does that make me less of a christian? does it mean my son will grow up and marry 5 guys thus spawning polygamist gays? will the earth suddenly stop spinning launching us all into outspace?

other than ruffling the feathers of those closed minded people i dont see how this hurts anyone.

The problem with polygamy has historically been that it hasn't been a consenting adult thing. It has been like child slavery where they brainwash a 16 year old girl and force her to marry some 50 year old 'leader of the church' with three wives already.

This is different than two consenting adults deciding that they want to marry (man-woman, man-man, woman-woman).

Doesn't divorce harm the 'sanctity' of marriage more than two males getting married? I mean think about it. Allowing people to break their sacred vows just because they get tired of each other....or perhaps because he beats her (what the heck...lets be equal and say that she beats him). Of course I'm being sarcastic and not saying that divorce should be outlawed. Marriage is between two people and only they can preserve the 'santity' of it.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


The problem with polygamy has historically been that it hasn't been a consenting adult thing. It has been like child slavery where they brainwash a 16 year old girl and force her to marry some 50 year old 'leader of the church' with three wives already.

Who would want more then 1 wife? I mean 1 is more then most of us can handle anyway.

[Konigballer]

all of this debating about preserving the intitution of marriage would actually mean something if the institution of marriage was'nt a complete joke already for hetero couples.

whats the divorce rate in this country, it was around 50%.....yeah marriage sure is a sacred institution

People really should'nt get all red in tha' face about this issue, gay marriages won't effect your marriage at all. You wil most likely screw up your marriage very effectively BY YOURSELVES.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Who would want more then 1 wife? I mean 1 is more then most of us can handle anyway.

Tell me about it. Who wants more than one wife thinking up "honey do" lists. Speaking of which I have to get off my lazy can and take care of some of those things. I hear that whip cracking

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Doesn't divorce harm the 'sanctity' of marriage more than two males getting married? I mean think about it. Allowing people to break their sacred vows just because they get tired of each other....or perhaps because he beats her (what the heck...lets be equal and say that she beats him). Of course I'm being sarcastic and not saying that divorce should be outlawed. Marriage is between two people and only they can preserve the 'santity' of it.

Aaron:

I had actually commented on that a while ago, and divorce has done a irreparable harm to the youth of this country. Frankly, maybe it should have never become as trendy as it now is. Its far too late to go back without creating near riot like condidtions, but maybe we would have been better off if divorce hadn't become as trendy as it is now.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Konigballer
all of this debating about preserving the intitution of marriage would actually mean something if the institution of marriage was'nt a complete joke already for hetero couples.

If it was a complete joke it wouldn't exist now. Marriage is not a complete joke, it is weaker then it was a thousand years ago, but that's not a reason finish it off.

whats the divorce rate in this country, it was around 50%.....yeah marriage sure is a sacred institution

What do you think the divorce rate will climb to once gay marriage is allowed?


People really should'nt get all red in tha' face about this issue, gay marriages won't effect your marriage at all. You wil most likely screw up your marriage very effectively BY YOURSELVES.

Oh, so the institution of marriage wasn't destroyed in Sweden and Norway because of gay marriage?

Thank you for your insight.

[logamus]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Oh, so the institution of marriage wasn't destroyed in Sweden and Norway because of gay marriage?

with all due respect, sweden and norway are a far cry from the united states. im sure you would agree with me that gay marriage is but one of many social issues they support that are not supported here. imho its rather foolish and arrogant to think that allowing gays to marry would create the downfall of marriage for all people.

Originally posted by Albinonewt
What do you think the divorce rate will climb to once gay marriage is allowed?

do you think that gays getting married would prompt happily married hetro couples to divorce? thats a pretty wild concept.

Originally posted by aaron_mag
The problem with polygamy has historically been that it hasn't been a consenting adult thing.

well marriage of any kind MUST be a consenting adult thing.

[shartley]

[breg]

Or think about the "In God We Trust," printed on every dollar bill.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by logamus
with all due respect, sweden and norway are a far cry from the united states. im sure you would agree with me that gay marriage is but one of many social issues they support that are not supported here. imho its rather foolish and arrogant to think that allowing gays to marry would create the downfall of marriage for all people.

Wait a minute, the thing that makes us different from Sweden is that we dont have gay marriage and then if we do we won't be the same?

I don't understand you're point.

But it is not foolish or arrogant to believe that gay marriage undermines the institution of marriage or damages it when we can clearly point to the evidence that IT HAS IN TWO PLACES ALREADY


do you think that gays getting married would prompt happily married hetro couples to divorce? thats a pretty wild concept.

No, I don't (at least not at first). But if you think that gay couples aren't going to divorce 10 times as often as non gay couples then you don't know the first thing about fidelity rates in gay relationships nor have you paid attention to the divorce rates in sweden and norway

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by shartley

And just to follow up on Shartely's good point.

That isn't what speration of church and state even is. It basically just says that government cannot promote or attempt to recruit into religions.

Now, with judicial activism being as crazy as it is today seperation of church and state has come to mean "we hate catholics and want them away from our stuff", but that's not what it always meant.