LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[BigEvil]

Believe it or not, there is a solution to this problem;

-Declare English the national language

-Close the border.

-Impose a $500,000 fine per offense on any company that employs or contracts the services of any illegal person.

-Institute either a migrant worker program, or provide a path to citizenship. Include everything that would be included in a normal application - learn English and American history. Anything else is secondary. Also, institute a 5 year probation for anyone that falls under this catagory. This means they cant vote, which would eliminate alot of the political BS. As much as I would theoretically like to see every single illegal deported, it is just not feasable.

-Get serious about upgrading the social security system. Walmart knows who you are when you try to pay with a credit card, but potential employers cannot perform addequate backround checks on applicants. Outsource the nation ID system to ANY major credit card company. It will put an end to identity fraud.


Unfortunately, the 'leaders' of this country do not have the balls or the motivation to solve any problem, let alone a serious one. Most of congress wont even admit that 911 was an act of war. If they cant even get that right.. ?

[evildead420]

anybody care to have some of my bean dip.
/ok, how about a taco.
//<< did i do this right?

[grEnAlEins]

I believe Section 1 of the 14th amendment must have its 'Jus Soli' changed to only grant citizenship to those born when the mother is on US soil LEGALLY.

These people want to be Americans?

(pics deleted for Kosmo)

Surely, those upside-down American flags indicate somone in duress or immediate danger.

BTW, this isn't a civil rights issue no matter how much people want it to be.

Vicente Fox should not be the most powerful man in the United States of America.

I can agree tha amnesty is wrong, that is why they would be forced to earn citizenship over a period of 6-8 years. If they do not make the cut, the government has a list of names and addresses. I could also go for the "Born to LEGAL mothers" idea. However this wont fix the facing us now, those born here to illegals are already citizens (no ex post facto). It will help in the future though. It would be a good plan. Even if you could kick the illegals out, which I would promote if it were possible, they would just come back again...

As for Vincente, you are right, he should be tarred and feathered, but that is not an issue after the illegals are legalized and their families that they suport come here. The his economy will fail, and he will be exposed for the he is...

[grEnAlEins]

Believe it or not, there is a solution to this problem;

-Declare English the national language
That is just asinine
-Close the border.
I agree, I believe I said we should electrify the fense and make a jungle of razor wire, although I may have deleted it
-Impose a $500,000 fine per offense on any company that employs or contracts the services of any illegal person.
great idea, that would help a great deal
-Institute either a migrant worker program, or provide a path to citizenship. Include everything that would be included in a normal application - learn English and American history. Anything else is secondary. Also, institute a 5 year probation for anyone that falls under this catagory. This means they cant vote, which would eliminate alot of the political BS. As much as I would theoretically like to see every single illegal deported, it is just not feasable.
Bingo, except the English thing. This is almost exactly what Ive been saying.
-Get serious about upgrading the social security system. Walmart knows who you are when you try to pay with a credit card, but potential employers cannot perform addequate backround checks on applicants. Outsource the nation ID system to ANY major credit card company. It will put an end to identity fraud.
Or revert it to FDR's New Deal, which created the program on a voluntary basis, and forbid the government from moving/borrowing the SS money elsewhere in the budget.

Unfortunately, the 'leaders' of this country do not have the balls or the motivation to solve any problem, let alone a serious one. Most of congress wont even admit that 911 was an act of war. If they cant even get that right.. ?
most of the immigration oriented stuff you want is being proposed now

See the red text

[bleachit]

how is declaring English the national language asinine? you want to be a citizen of a country you should WANT to learn their language. I, personally, am sick of seeing spanish on everything I buy. why should I have to learn a language, assuming the illegals keep coming spanish may one day be more prominate than english, that is foreign to MY country because illegals came in a made it ours? sorry, you want in you need to learn English. How is that even an issue? I shouldnt have to know spanish to be able to communicate with people who shop where I work. You dont like our language? dont want to learn it? then go somewhere LEGALLY that speaks it. The US does NOT speak Spanish, nor should our nation have to because people ILLLEGALLY (cant stress that word enough, as many people cant seem to grasp a hold of it in general) entered our nation and are trying to change it to benefit themselves. They want political reform? They already have a messed up country where they came from. Go protest and reform that nation, leave ours to those who are here LEGALLY. Thanks, we can take care of our nation without your ILLEGAL immigration and protests.

to those ILLEGAL immigrants

kthnxbye (go home)

/the US is NOT your home
//go home and EARN immigration rights like the LEGAL immigrants did
///learn English
////seriously.

[nippinout]

The US does NOT speak Spanish, nor should our nation have to because people ILLLEGALLY (cant stress that word enough, as many people cant seem to grasp a hold of it in general) entered our nation and are trying to change it to benefit themselves.

Don't stop empasizing that. I've seen and heard ILLEGAL immigrants referred to as 'Undocumented Workers".

[bleachit]

hows this:

people who have crossed our borders without the consent of the US govt. and by circumventing our nations immigration laws are......


ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!

no, you arent an undocumented worker, you are an ILLEGAL immigrant. go try to be an undocumented worker in ANY other country and see how fast your rear end is removed. seriously.


I have nothing against LEGAL (notice the lack of "il" denoting that those are actually here within the laws of our nation and assumingly CONTRIBUTE beneficially to OUR society) immigrants. LEGAL immigrants are what make our country great... Especially when they learn our language and realize that "American Dream". The difference between ILLEGAL and LEGAL immigrants? LEGAL immigrants become AMERICAN. ILLEGALS should NOT. Especially if they are sending everything back to Mexico... someone said earlier that the Mexican economy would collapse if the money from ILLEGALS from the US dried up. how pathetic is that? lets see.... an "organism" feeding off another "organism" in which only the "organism" which is feeding benefits... whats that called?





Congrats Mexico, you are officially a parasite.


edit: it should be noted that I have disdain for all those who violate the laws of the U.S. I am an equal opportunity law breaker "hater". Laws are there for a reason, that reason is not that they "should be broken".

double edit: that dislike for lawbreakers includes the woman who cut me off on the way home without a turn signal while the 7-9 yr old in the front seat was leaning against the dashboard without his seatbelt on. Or those punk kids who tossed a massive object at my truck while driving home a few days ago which splattered all over my truck, scratched straight through the paint and very easily could have hit me in the face while doing 30mph as my window was down, on top of the fact my visibility was nearly cancelled out due to the thick layer of garbage on my window, and could have caused a nice accident.

in conclusion: people suck, obey the laws or be PENALIZED!!!!!!!!

/or punished
//Punisher pwns
///I bet hed close the borders
////or just scare everyone straight.


/sigh
//futile?

[grEnAlEins]

how is declaring English the national language asinine?
It is not the national language. How would you like to be forced to learn spanish? or another language?
you want to be a citizen of a country you should WANT to learn their language.
We do not have a legally set language
I, personally, am sick of seeing spanish on everything I buy.
Don't buy it? A wise man once said "Vote with your dollars"
why should I have to learn a language,
Why should they?
assuming the illegals keep coming spanish may one day be more prominate than english,
English immigrants forced English upon this land, why dont you learn a native dialect?
that is foreign to MY country because illegals came in a made it ours?
I forgot where I was, I love The United States of Bleachit
sorry, you want in you need to learn English.
or a Native American language? Or Greek like your forefather's wanted?
How is that even an issue?
YOU sir, made it an issue
I shouldnt have to know spanish to be able to communicate with people who shop where I work.
They should not have to learn English either. If you want their money, cater to their needs. That is how a business works, believe it or not. If you do not want there business, tell them that untill they speak English, they should shop elsewhere
You dont like our language?
I do actually
dont want to learn it?
I already have, does not mean that everyone must
then go somewhere LEGALLY that speaks it.
You first, go to England, I will meet you there after I get my degree
The US does NOT speak Spanish,
Or English for that matter
nor should our nation have to because people ILLLEGALLY (cant stress that word enough, as many people cant seem to grasp a hold of it in general) entered our nation and are trying to change it to benefit themselves.
Is this not what the white settlers have done?
They want political reform?
It would appear so
They already have a messed up country where they came from.
On the contrary, they have had but one free election.
Go protest and reform that nation, leave ours to those who are here LEGALLY.
I cannot rebut this, so I will say "Fair Enough"
Thanks, we can take care of our nation without your ILLEGAL immigration and protests.
This is also true, the protest is kinda stupid
to those ILLEGAL immigrants

kthnxbye (go home)

/the US is NOT your home
"Home is where you make it, everybody knows that." :rofl:
//go home and EARN immigration rights like the LEGAL immigrants did
That is the exact thing that Bush and the Senate are pushing for.
///learn English
Or a Native dialect, or Greek, or Spanish, any work...
////seriously.

see red

"someone said earlier that the Mexican economy would collapse if the money from ILLEGALS from the US dried up. how pathetic is that?"

That was me a couple times, as well as three or four others, by the way.

And yes, Mexico certainly is a parasite.

[bleachit]

lets see... what language is EVERY document that established the United States of Amercia? Umm lets give you some multiple choice, make it easy.

A.) German
B.) Spanish
C.) English
D.) Klingon
E.) Shyriiwook


I give you a clue, its not Spanish.

What language is spoken in Congress, by our Courts and, on occasion, by our President? Once again, its NOT Spanish.

Lets see, the US is MY country for several reasons

A.) I was legally born here.
B.) my parents were legally born here
C.) I was forced to learn the common language spoke here
D.) I am a registered Republican, registered with our lovely Civil Serice
and finally
E.) I am 24 years old and have already partaken in 2 of MY nations Presidential elections.

so yes, the U.S. is MY country because I am here LEGALLY am a US citizen and actively participate in OUR Govt. Also, should MY nation need me and enact a draft, I have made MYSELF available to MY country to go fight for MY country.


Mexico had one free election? Whose fault is that? the only people to blame are the Mexicans. Seriously, we are trying in Iraq, but forcing true democracy is a pain in the rear. you want free elections? go spend your energy illegally entering another nation changing YOUR nation....


maybe if the millions who are in the US ILLEGALLY would go back to Mexico in force they could actually bring free elections to THEIR country and maybe make a place they might actually want to stay.



you can write in red all you want.... bottomline is they are breaking US law and are still

ILLEGAL


edit: if I moved to any other nation, legally or otherwise, if I wanted to survive I would be forced to learn their language. I wouldnt expect an entire nation to learn my language to accomodate me, especially if I was not there legally.

[grEnAlEins]

D.) Klingon :rofl: ...
What language is spoken in Congress, by our Courts and, on occasion, by our President? Once again, its NOT Spanish.
It is still not the legal language
Lets see, the US is MY country for several reasons

A.) I was legally born here.
Me too, the same is true for many of the people protesting
B.) my parents were legally born here
Mine too, the same is true for many of the people protesting
C.) I was forced to learn the common language spoke here
You were not legally forced to do anything, you ELECTED to due to ease. This is the same reason they come here instead of staying in Mexico
D.) I am a registered Republican, registered with our lovely Civil Serice
and finally
Me too, the same is true for many (although not too many) of the people protesting
E.) I am 24 years old and have already partaken in 2 of MY nations Presidential elections.
I am not 24, I missed the age cut off by a few months last time (no big deal, my guy won)
so yes, the U.S. is MY country because I am here LEGALLY am a US citizen and actively participate in OUR Govt. Also, should MY nation need me and enact a draft, I have made MYSELF available to MY country to go fight for MY country.
Me too, the same is true for many of the people protesting

Mexico had one free election? Whose fault is that? the only people to blame are the Mexicans. Seriously, we are trying in Iraq, but forcing true democracy is a pain in the rear. you want free elections? go spend your energy illegally entering another nation changing YOUR nation....
True, they are to blame. They are immigrating out of ease of survival, same reason you learned English

maybe if the millions who are in the US ILLEGALLY would go back to Mexico in force they could actually bring free elections to THEIR country and maybe make a place they might actually want to stay.
Very True


you can write in red all you want.... bottomline is they are breaking US law and are still
Fine, Blue it is
ILLEGAL
True, this is why there would be a probation. As I said above, it is like taking the ILLEGALS, and convicting them and sentencing them to probation. This is all in one foul swoop, avoiding messy and expensive litigation.

edit: if I moved to any other nation, legally or otherwise, if I wanted to survive I would be forced to learn their language.
True, but I believe all other nations have legal languages, so you would have to
I wouldnt expect an entire nation to learn my language to accomodate me, especially if I was not there legally.

Neither do they. You only need to speak Spanish if you want their businesses or services. It is that simple. They "Vote with {their} dollars" I urge you to follow in suit.

EDIT: I am going to bed now, I have a 9AM final tomarrow.

[bleachit]

I have no problem with anyone, here legally, protesting. when the word illegal, no undocumented should not be used, comes in, then I have a problem.

thats what this is about illegal immigrants trying to gain political clout. If you are here legally? protest all you want, lose your job on Tuesday. oh wells.


I was forced to learn English, my parents, my schools and the general public around me gave me no other options. I had no choice but to learn English.


I hate finals.... spending all day tomorrow studying... with a cold

/needs more nyquil.

[nippinout]

The whole 'probation' thing sends the message that we are too weak/impotent/lazy/cheap to enforce any of our PRESENT laws or borders.

BUILD THE DAMN WALL. Why aren't we building a wall with Canada? We should. But we also don't have millions of Canadians ILLEGALLY entering America. Priorities people!

[PyRo]

Someone call me when national ship em' back day comes up.

[tropical_fishy]

Can I just say building a wall is the grown-up equivilent of the child playing hide-and-go-seek, covering his eyes, and thinking, "I can't see them, so they can't see me!"?

Yeah. Pointless. You'll still have Coyotes taking people across the border for $$, you'll still have people dying in the desert, and you'll be strapped for cash because you just built a huge-^%& wall for no reason other than symbolic separation, a la Berlin.

[bleachit]

you are so right...





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= Zone of Death!!!



Can someone say reality TV? pays for itself.


/joke
//Ha Ha