LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[bleachit]

mine field?

[tropical_fishy]

I'm glad we agree on that

but really, how else CAN we secure our borders? its not just about illegal immigrants, its about security too. in fact I might support some sort of guest worker program IF we somehow close off the border first.

I apologize if I seemed hostile, its just living in Southern CA, I've had about enough.

I live in San Diego for part of the year, and for the other part, I live in "little Puerto Rico" (Hartford, CT).

Building a wall is a very male response to this problem. Regardless, I don't think people deserve to be shot and killed for trying to immigrate illegally. That's overkill, for lack of a better term, and excuse the pun, it's late-ish. A good amount of illegal immigrants, believe it or not, don't cross the border illegally. They get temporary permission to be ehre and never leave. That's another problem. Another large portion cross the border at designated "border crossings," in the trunks of cars, etc. A wall solves such a small problem when compared to all the other ways people can get in.

[nippinout]

You realize you just linked me to an EXTREMELY conservative, EXTREMELY biased news source, correct? May as well have said, "go check out FOX!"

Yes, in fact, I do get the news. I also read books, magazines, and the newspaper. I do not rely on one, biased source for all my information.

All news has a bias, it's impossible to be completely neutral. But what is wrong with Fox News? The fact that it isn't left-leaning? So if isn't left-leaning, the source must be seriously conservative, biased, and wrong?

Here's a story at Fox News about Adnan G. El Shukrijumah. He's al Qaeda and is a trained pilot suspected of being a terrorist cell leader. The US Department of State has a $5,000,000.00 price on his head. Here's a link to the FBI's website about him. He's been spotted in Honduras and Panama. I'm pretty sure he isn't on a South American vacation. Honduran Security Minister Oscar Alvarez believes al Qaeda is active in Honduras and are trying to recruit Hondurans.

But most of that information is from Fox News. Because it isn't left-leaning CNN, it must be conservative and raTHer flawed.

Does anyone else think a strict enforcement of current law and the construction of a fence is a stupid idea?

If al Qaeda is having a problem coming into America by plane, wouldn't they want to use the porous border? There are evil men out there that are dedicating their lives to kill us. I would rather have a wall to make it more difficult to kill us.

[geekwarrior]

I live in San Diego for part of the year, and for the other part, I live in "little Puerto Rico" (Hartford, CT).

Building a wall is a very male response to this problem. Regardless, I don't think people deserve to be shot and killed for trying to immigrate illegally. That's overkill, for lack of a better term, and excuse the pun, it's late-ish. A good amount of illegal immigrants, believe it or not, don't cross the border illegally. They get temporary permission to be ehre and never leave. That's another problem. Another large portion cross the border at designated "border crossings," in the trunks of cars, etc. A wall solves such a small problem when compared to all the other ways people can get in.

male response :rofl: I guess guys can be territorial

Actually, the post above yours has a good point...you are right in that it won't stop everyone.
And as you said, the WHOLE immigration system is a mess. There probably is no single solution, but at least its in the public eye and there is debate about it. Its just that the loudest voice normally gets its way, and right now that voice is the illegal side. Most Americans don't care or don't know, and I think the majorities voice isnt being heard. And that means the death of CA as we know it.

he must have edited his post, I wasnt suggesting a minefield...

[tropical_fishy]

All news has a bias, it's impossible to be completely neutral. But what is wrong with Fox News? The fact that it isn't left-leaning? So if isn't left-leaning, the source must be seriously conservative, biased, and wrong?

Here's a story at Fox News about Adnan G. El Shukrijumah. He's al Qaeda and is a trained pilot suspected of being a terrorist cell leader. The US Department of State has a $5,000,000.00 price on his head. Here's a link to the FBI's website about him. He's been spotted in Honduras and Panama. I'm pretty sure he isn't on a South American vacation. Honduran Security Minister Oscar Alvarez believes al Qaeda is active in Honduras and are trying to recruit Hondurans.

But most of that information is from Fox News. Because it isn't left-leaning CNN, it must be conservative and raTHer flawed.

Does anyone else think a strict enforcement of current law and the construction of a fence is a stupid idea?

If al Qaeda is having a problem coming into America by plane, wouldn't they want to use the porous border? There are evil men out there that are dedicating their lives to kill us. I would rather have a wall to make it more difficult to kill us.

Actually, to know that something's legit, I'd like to see links from both sides, liberal and conservative. But that's just how I am. And I don't consider CNN left-leaning. But this isn't an argument about the politics of the media. It's about tomorrow, and the "day without immigrants," or whatnot.

And yes, building a wall is very much like peeing on rocks and trees to designate your territory. And the first guy who comes after me with a "female dog" joke will not be happy .

[grEnAlEins]

but really, how else CAN we secure our borders? its not just about illegal immigrants, its about security too.

Very true, it is a security issue. We could have the national guardsmen of AZ, NM, TX, and CA stand at the border. I do agree with the idea of sealed, or nearly sealed borders. I am actually thinking about getting in with Border/Customs and going down there for a bit. I am currently looking elsewhere too, but if those fall through The Border Patrol is actively recruiting... In fact they were just at my school. I had a chat with two agents about exactly what ICE offers as far as benifits and money and responsibilities. They answered my questions and gave me a bunch of recruitment stuff and contact info for the recruitment agent for my region. I doubt that I will do it, but it is an option. I do think we should seal that border down ASAP. I believe in stopping illegal immigration, but I think that in most instances, kicking people out is wrong. As for illegals that commit major crimes (e.g. murder, major drug offenses, etc) they should be given an option of whether to stay here. We fly them over the gulf, drop them in the middle, and see which way they swim. But for the majority of illegals, Bush's "probation" plan works just fine.

[nippinout]

I live in San Diego for part of the year, and for the other part, I live in "little Puerto Rico" (Hartford, CT).

Building a wall is a very male response to this problem. Regardless, I don't think people deserve to be shot and killed for trying to immigrate illegally. That's overkill, for lack of a better term, and excuse the pun, it's late-ish. A good amount of illegal immigrants, believe it or not, don't cross the border illegally. They get temporary permission to be ehre and never leave. That's another problem. Another large portion cross the border at designated "border crossings," in the trunks of cars, etc. A wall solves such a small problem when compared to all the other ways people can get in.

There were people here in Minnesota that opposed printing on state drivers licenses, the date at which a person's stay in America ended. Idiots.

[tropical_fishy]

As for illegals that commit major crimes (e.g. murder, major drug offenses, etc) they should be given an option of whether to stay here. We fly them over the gulf, drop them in the middle, and see which way they swim. But for the majority of illegals, Bush's "probation" plan works just fine.

Ironically, prisons in high-immigrant-populated states are the most strapped for cash of any institution besides hospitals. Oh god, I need to go to bed, my ability to write a coherent sentence is fading quickly.

[nippinout]

And yes, building a wall is very much like peeing on rocks and trees to designate your territory. And the first guy who comes after me with a "female dog" joke will not be happy .

How is building a wall a 'male response'?

[grEnAlEins]

Ironically, prisons in high-immigrant-populated states are the most strapped for cash of any institution besides hospitals. Oh god, I need to go to bed, my ability to write a coherent sentence is fading quickly.

I understand that, in fact, that is the info covered on my 12:00 final tomarrow--today technically. But the illegals who commit major crimes are by no means the majority of illegals. I am sure that most of the problem is that these jails/prisons cover highly impovershed areas as well. The combination is crippling.

Edit: I am off to bed I mean it this time...

[billybob_81067]

Ironically, prisons in high-immigrant-populated states are the most strapped for cash of any institution besides hospitals. Oh god, I need to go to bed, my ability to write a coherent sentence is fading quickly.

Hmmm... how about we DO build that fence between Mexico and the U.S. and take all the prision guards currently in the U.S. right now to man it, and not only keep the mexicans out but send all of our prisioners over the boarder to their crappy country. See how they like it...

[kosmo]

One thing that people dont know about legal immigration is that its darn near impossible to get here legally. There are 50,000 visas given out a year (not including those given out for extraordinary circumstances), and thats by "lottery". What that actually means is you pay some corrupt embassy official about $5,000 dollars and they sneak your name on the list of 50,000. That link to the citizenship application thing from google is one of the biggest scams there is. They take thousands of dollars from people, promising to get them their citizenship. Then, if theyre lucky, the company gets their name entered in the lottery for a visa. But what happens more often than not, is they take all the money the person has saved up, and leaves them high and dry. What can they do, theyre not in America and they definitely dont have the money to seek legal action. Im currently working on helping a friend here in Afghanistan get a visa to the states, and it is ridiculously hard. This guy is an interpreter who has worked for the army since the war started in Afghanistan. He speaks 5 different languages fluently, and has a technology degree from an Indian college, which is obviously not worthless considering the massive amount of IT growth in India. He has been hit by an IED 4 different times, shot twice, and his brother was beheaded on the job. He's trying to make money to pay for medical care for his parents that he takes care of. Now tell me, what has average Joe American who hasnt done anything to earn his citizenship other than being born here, got as leverage to tell this guy hes not good enough to come to America?

[geekwarrior]

One thing that people dont know about legal immigration is that its darn near impossible to get here legally. There are 50,000 visas given out a year (not including those given out for extraordinary circumstances), and thats by "lottery". What that actually means is you pay some corrupt embassy official about $5,000 dollars and they sneak your name on the list of 50,000. That link to the citizenship application thing from google is one of the biggest scams there is. They take thousands of dollars from people, promising to get them their citizenship. Then, if theyre lucky, the company gets their name entered in the lottery for a visa. But what happens more often than not, is they take all the money the person has saved up, and leaves them high and dry. What can they do, theyre not in America and they definitely dont have the money to seek legal action. Im currently working on helping a friend here in Afghanistan get a visa to the states, and it is ridiculously hard. This guy is an interpreter who has worked for the army since the war started in Afghanistan. He speaks 5 different languages fluently, and has a technology degree from an Indian college, which is obviously not worthless considering the massive amount of IT growth in India. He has been hit by an IED 4 different times, shot twice, and his brother was beheaded on the job. He's trying to make money to pay for medical care for his parents that he takes care of. Now tell me, what has average Joe American who hasnt done anything to earn his citizenship other than being born here, got as leverage to tell this guy hes not good enough to come to America?

your right, the immigration process is screwed up, but why do all the illegal immigrants coming here from Mexico get to cut in line in front of the guy your trying to help? I'm for increasing the amount of immigrants allowed into the country. We just cant absorb so many in one general area, the majority of which are unskilled.

[BigEvil]

This whole "Protest", Boycott" or whatever the hell they are calling it is a total sham. In my Distribution Center today, every single of my "legals" stayed home, yet the 30 or so temps form the agency showed up. Lazy legals.

[Zygote]

Illegal immigration is proof that the free trade system doesn't work. When foreign countries are open to investment and speculation by multinational corporations, local businesses are forced to compete with McDonalds and Walmart. The businesses are forced to close and the workers have limited options: earn a slave wage in a foreign-owned latin american sweatshop, collect unemployment, or go where the work is and send whatever you can back to your family.

Economies and populations will stabilize when people are able to meet the basic necessities where they live. Its unrealistic to make it impossible to make a living in their country and then kick them out when they try to make a living in ours.