IONized 'Mag Pneu-frame?

[FinchMan]

hurrah, I'm glad to see the project finally resumed.

[Scott Hudnall]

Been working on it tonight, made some excellent progress, in the finishing stages. Hope to have it done in the next few days. The trigger switch activating rod is in place. Very slight pull to activate the switch, obviously, and the Logic frame with the trigger stop makes it easy to adjust the pull without destroying the Ion board's switch. I'm making some changes to the MPA-3 activation of the sear. Gonna review some of the other articles here on AO to see exactly what they did on the MPA-3's. That's the last big step, then it's simply running the air lines to the correct length, keeping them out of the way of the MPA-3 and sear, getting the 9v and LPR into the Emag battery case....no problem there, it's just doing it.

Feels good to take some time to get this project done.

Thanks.

Scott

[geekwarrior]

can't wait to see it, glad you were able to free up sometime! welcome back

[Scott Hudnall]

I've spent the last 2 evenings either combing the Ace hardware store's nuts and bolts section for riv-nuts or spacers and epoxy, and last night spent time with the dremel, riv-nut (or what ever it's called), MPA-3, epoxy, etc etc, making the parts and putting it back together. I took photos so anyone will be able to easily follow this step.

I had to find the instructions on an old pneumag thread, by Phishphen. His links to photos were down, but I found a link in the thread where someone hosted his photos for him, can still get to them. Hopefully my photos will be a little easier to follow. but then again.....

It WILL be done this weekend, if not today. I will post the above pics later and pics of the finished product, including final pics of inside the grip, the LPR and 9V placement, etc. I can't promise video at this point, but will try to find someone to take video of it, edit it down and post it for me. I don't have a video camera that works.

I also have the option, because of the various parts I have laying around, of building it using the Emag rail/battery pack, or using the standard AM/MM rail and having the LPR coming out of the vert adapter (like the electricians'....see his thread). The Emag battery pack would allow me to hide the LPR and 9v easily. the AM/MM set up would mean having to do more dremel work to the frame to accomodate the 9v. It will fit, and could have fit easily without more work if I had taken better care of the placement of the ION board/solenoid inside the frame. Oh well. in the end it should all work fine, either way. I just kind of like the lower profile of the standard AM/MM vs the Emag set up. The AM/MM has more of an understated old skool look.

[Scott Hudnall]

BTW - I'm wondering if Nicad's offer still stands....the one about getting a free DW shirt for the first person to finish the iMag.

Scott

[Scott Hudnall]

Okay....this is s #&^%$'n set back.

I had the iMag running in a mock-up configuration to make sure it was all working properly.

You know, the mock up, where the air lines are all over the place, not cut to the final correct length or very tidy looking.

One of the battery leads (the red one) broke off the board. I bought this board used, and it looks like it had been repaired before. At any rate, in my careful attempt to resolder the red battery connection the board stopped working. I had it soldered on there, the board would come on, but would not operate the solenoid. Then....in trying to fix it again, the solder spot broke off the board at the base of the large capacitor.

I'm ordering a new Ion board. Will resume the iMag once it's in.

Disappointing for me at this point, considering it's in the final stage.

Scott

but cheers anyway....

[afortuna]

Get a T-board! The SP boards are known for soldering problems and specifically battery connection issues at the board. Best of luck. You've definitely got me in interested in this one.

Okay....this is s #&^%$'n set back.

I had the iMag running in a mock-up configuration to make sure it was all working properly.

You know, the mock up, where the air lines are all over the place, not cut to the final correct length or very tidy looking.

One of the battery leads (the red one) broke off the board. I bought this board used, and it looks like it had been repaired before. At any rate, in my careful attempt to resolder the red battery connection the board stopped working. I had it soldered on there, the board would come on, but would not operate the solenoid. Then....in trying to fix it again, the solder spot broke off the board at the base of the large capacitor.

I'm ordering a new Ion board. Will resume the iMag once it's in.

Disappointing for me at this point, considering it's in the final stage.

Scott

but cheers anyway....

[FinchMan]

yeah, now's your chance to upgrade boards.

I'd go with a lucky board:

http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=194

although the T-board is cheaper:

http://scenariodreams.com/productpages/iontboard.htm

but if your going for cheap, you might as well get another used stock board.

[afortuna]

I don't know much about the Lucky Board, but for the money, the T-board is worth it. Virtue is way too expensive. There is a new Predator board out and an APE board out as well.

yeah, now's your chance to upgrade boards.

I'd go with a lucky board:

http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=194

although the T-board is cheaper:

http://scenariodreams.com/productpages/iontboard.htm

but if your going for cheap, you might as well get another used stock board.

[Scott Hudnall]

stil looking for the board, hope to get one like new and cheap.

BTW...did you notice......11,900 views of this thread???? Holy Cow!!!!

Scott

[nicad]

BTW - I'm wondering if Nicad's offer still stands....the one about getting a free DW shirt for the first person to finish the iMag.

Scott

Yes.. yes it does. And I believe you have done it.

When you were first describing your design, I don't think I understood what you were going for.. a "constant bleed" system, or well, while activated. Where is the bleed hole physically located?

[omegaredghost]

just want to let you all know if you do it nicads way then you will need to taper the threaded end of the nippel that is going in to the exit port. by doing this you will have a more luck trying to seal the rest of the system from the in comeing air. if you dont you will have air leaking by it also i am really close to haveing mine done just wating on hpa from my local paintball shop

[Scott Hudnall]

Yes.. yes it does. And I believe you have done it.

When you were first describing your design, I don't think I understood what you were going for.. a "constant bleed" system, or well, while activated. Where is the bleed hole physically located?

see the pic I posted a while back. The red cap on the T fitting in the line has a small hole in it. Seems to allow enough pressure past it (straight through the T), and then on the blow back/depressure it vents nicely. Next question, then, is what psi am I running off the LPR. answer...i have no idea.

I tried a version with a QEV in the line, but it didn't bleed well at all. Maybe the QEV I have, which is new from clippard, is bad, stuck etc.

At any rate.....I would like to say mine is "done" but it's not finished yet due to this wire/solder/board problem. I am still in search of a board for the right price. watching ebay and everywhere else. Might just pony up the $$ for a Tboard and get it over with. It does work, though, but cramming it all in the frame with properly trimmed hoses, etc, is not finished.

You know, this really is not that complicated since the Ion board is all self contained. I honestly think you could get this done is a few days, or evenings, work, if you had the proper tools, parts, etc, all at your disposal. Maybe a guy like Nicad could get it done in a few hours. I do NOT have all the proper tools and relied on various drills, dremels, etc, to get it fitted. Without the grips on....it's not real pretty.



Hey omegaredghost - looking forward to seeing video of your grip, insides, and firing. Like in my previous post....I'm hoping to get that done once the project is fully complete. Very cool to take up the project, Omega R G.

This would be awesome for a simple iMag project for the masses: being able to buy an automag grip frame that's cut to accept an ION board, MPA3, and 9v, complete with a trigger rod to activate the switch. Plus, a verticle adapter to mount a LPR on the front of the gun. That would be nice. I wish I knew about manufacturing etc and the metal trades.

Scott

[nicad]

OK, my next question was if you had tried a QEV. It would need to be placed between the vent and the ram. Most QEV's will trigger with aprox 5 psi shift-- I would think that if the vent is enough to allow the ram to return at a decent speed, it should be enough to trigger a QEV.. hmmm.

But then again, if it is working fine without a QEV, Why mess with it!?
(A QEV would, however, allow the system to work more efficiently and at an overall lower pressure.)

[FinchMan]

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This would be awesome for a simple iMag project for the masses: being able to buy an automag grip frame that's cut to accept an ION board, MPA3, and 9v, complete with a trigger rod to activate the switch. Plus, a verticle adapter to mount a LPR on the front of the gun. That would be nice. I wish I knew about manufacturing etc and the metal trades.

Scott

Heh, if you're going to make a custom frame and vert asa, ya might as well encorperate the rail.

I look forward to seeing pictures/videos of completed iMags.