ULE Trigger, Can You Shoot It Right?

[GT]

Originally posted by classicmagplayer
Sorry but, if someone can't figure out how to pull a trigger correctly, I wouldn't want them handling a gun around me.

haha thats great.

TAW,
You need to step away from the computer for a bit and take a breather. If you have a problem with another member YOU need to pm them. Typing that I need to cleanup my posts are just shy of a childish comment. Trust me Tom is reading all of these posts and some of the good/bad points that are made. Lighten up its just the internet.

BTW: Yes I can shoot this trigger, I will promise to tell myself that I am smarter than the trigger

jb

[Grasshopper]

A beta test would help greatly in releasing a new, contreversal product such as this. I just can't wait to get my hands on one of these awsome triggers and rip it up. Seriously, I quivering over the idea of it. Darn you Tom! Now you got me all worked up!

[Koosh]

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Tom is afraid that people will get the new trigger and start short stroking. Whats the big deal? You just need to do what you always TELL people to do when they first pick up a mag. Pull the trigger back, let it go. Is it really that difficult?

People may "chuff" the first few times out at the field, but if its a continuing problem, well... then how hard would it be to Uninstall the trigger mod and sell here on AO to people more competant?

I say release it. I really don't see any problems with it... If people are chuffing too much and breaking balls, what are the chances that they will keep that in the gun? Make it stock on X-Valves, but include stock Xvalve parts to change back if necessary...

[Grasshopper]

Originally posted by TheFlamingKoosh
I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Tom is afraid that people will get the new trigger and start short stroking. Whats the big deal? You just need to do what you always TELL people to do when they first pick up a mag. Pull the trigger back, let it go. Is it really that difficult?

Exactly my thoughts. Though 'Mags have this "blender" reputation behind them, if people can learn the trigger (and with common sense, it's not that hard), people will see 'Mags ripping with it. That'd be an up for the reputation. With any trigger, you can easily mess up the first time you use it. After a few games, I bet nearly any paintballer (new or experienced) could get used to it and fit it easily into their play styles.

[crankydan]

Tom,

I think that I could learn this trigger. I think that less force required would equal more paint down field and a steady platform for accuracy. I dont see how it could be any harder than a cocker.

For the rest of you guys, for gods sake stop the whining!!!! Answer the question and let it go!

[845]

I will have to agree with Magman on this one. Don't release it until it is perfect.

[neuromonic]

For what it's worth... I too agree with magman.

-n

[Jerhew]

well
i do understand magman's point...
but i also think he's blowing things waaaay out of proportion
and telling us that wanting a beta test is selfish is kinda silly really...
i can't even use this mod at this point(1 oring rt) but i still think that beta testing would help collect the proper data without staining AGD's rep

[Severe]

Tom et al,

I'd like to see another AO beta test much like you had with the Level 10. Even though I did not participate in that beta, I found it invaluable in boasting my confidence in my marker's future and in AGD's commitment to continue to evolve the marker. Since I'm classic valve player, I would most likely not participate in this beta either. However hearing other players tout the abilities of this trigger in combination with the X-valve would substaintially reduce my reluctance to upgrade.

I've never played a tourney and while all the magazines hype tourney play, I still confident that rec-ballers are by far the majority of paintballers.

At the fields I play the 'mag players I see are seasoned players who've gone 'mag for their own reasons or kids/friends who have seen me play and how well my mag performs for me and picked up a mag of their own. Each of these groups understand that the mag is unique and that a certain amount of technique is required in being efficient with the trigger.

The bulk of the other players I see are Sypder types (mostly electrics now) or Tippmanns (lots of A5's with RT...an impressive marker to be sure). Of course there's the occassional Angel, 'cocker, Timmy, etc.

I have no problem getting excellent bps speed with my Intelliframe/LvlX classic mag as it is. I rarely go crazy on the trigger, I prefer trying to use precision shooting rather than volume. But I feel that a trigger mod like this would broaden the range of performance of my marker. I don't mind that there's a new technique to learn. In fact I enjoy that. It makes my marker more unique.

I understand that the reactivity of the trigger is a concern for Tourney players, but I also get the feeling that most of these players are using E-mags. If the trigger is determined to be tourney-illegal then it's simply a fact that those players who focus on that type of play should not get/use this upgrade. I don't honestly understand why someone would even bother trying to 'sweet-spot' this trigger if it's as light as it sounds. Why not just walk or fan the trigger or whatever it is you do to dump as much paint as possible.

Just my .02

Steve

[magman007]

[jaylock33]

I am very excited about the possibilities that arise from this trigger. But I also think that Tom's concern should not be with us learning the trigger I believe that most of us being a dedicated as we are to mags and AGD products would without a doubt learn the trigger. His concern should be with those who do not yet use a mag, these people are what will make the customer base grow and in turn make the company grow. If these people become disenchanted with the mag becasue it has once again gone to being a "blender" then the company is back to square one after a great string of improvements. To answer the question for my own personal reasons I would like to see the ULT released and I would take the time to get used to the trigger but I'm an AGD diehard and do not represent the vast majority of paintballers. Remember in the paintball world of my maker is better than yours ignorance is bliss and any foder (mags being blenders because the average person won't learn the trigger) we give to the anti mag people will be used against AGD to show why their gun is better than ours.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

compromise

magman007 or whatever does have a point, these are people used to Mag triggers that are chuffing, and it only takes one chuff to really mess the gun up, just like it used to only take one chop to mess it up. AGD does not need to create another bad stereotype like the shortstroke/chop rep it had.

So options: can this design be modified so the pull is about 1/2 as heavy as a normal pull so not quite an electric feel but still a huge improvement, and in changing the internals around cut back on the chances of a "chuff" happening? I presume some change to on/off AND sear is involved hear, so if gears are used to lighten the torque (ie pull on trigger) to activate the on/off maybe a different sized gear can be used to shorten the pull, prevent chuffing, and still have some benefit of lighter pull. A pull that's half the weight of a mags and maybe even a little shorter with the new sear would be sick.

Would this work?

[Benfica4ever]

I would try my hardest to learn to use it.

[Mook564]

I think a beta test would be a good way to go. BUT I would give them to people other then the ones on AO ( no offence to us AO people ). Go to a local field find some people that use Mags check the valve out, and if it will work with there Mag give them one. Also give them a pre paid mail in performance review. Or get the persons name and phone number so you can call them and see what they have to say after they use it for a while.

I had a chance to use a ule trigger at the Wi megameet and loved it. But alas I can't use one on my old RT. But if I could use it I would buy one.

[Micromag man!]

i think the light trigger would be awesome, but its not ready now... i like the idea of the trigger locking until u have fully pulled it, it would help u learn quickly, and it doesnt matter if it doesnt shoot, it reminds me sorta of like an ace... just alot different. i think it wouldnt be that hard to make this triger locking mechanism... but i do think this should be on the front burner b/c us mech users need something to be proud of too, my team always bashes me about how heavy and stiff my intellifram is... but i like it, just would be bette if it were lighter, i think u should sel a reactivity kit with it tho, i think the tourny/rec kits are retarded non-sense