ULE Trigger, Can You Shoot It Right?

[GT]

Originally posted by dcmander

Tom's mag you used may have been tournament ILLEGAL, because of the reactivity. THAT is the issue. To be tournament LEGAL,

Of which none of you have answered my question.

How many of you actually play tourneys? Those of you who do, are you willing to learn a new trigger during practice/rec ball?

[magman007]

I play tournies, and il tell you this. There should be no reason to need to learn any type of trigger to make the marker shoot correctly, cocker, mag, or not, there should be no reason for me to have to think about how im pulling my trigger in the middle of a game, i have more important things to think about, dont you?


The idea that some one needs to take time from playing, or practicing, or even in their basement to learn a trigger, is outrageous.

[Halo2x]

Originally posted by adam shannon
if its adjustable...make it a kit. if you can handle it with less reactivity then set it up that way...if you dont care if its really reactive since you dont play tournies then you can have it short-stroke free.

I Second This Idea(Unless somebodey already has )

[GSKRAP]

please...

Tom, could you please tell us how the trigger works so we know what we're dealing with? i think if we knew the mechanics of the thing it might be easier to make a decision...

[terrorizer666]

[GT]

Originally posted by magman007
I play tournies, and il tell you this. There should be no reason to need to learn any type of trigger to make the marker shoot correctly, cocker, mag, or not, there should be no reason for me to have to think about how im pulling my trigger in the middle of a game, i have more important things to think about, dont you?


The idea that some one needs to take time from playing, or practicing, or even in their basement to learn a trigger, is outrageous.

And you just picked up your mag and along you went? I am sorry but you are wrong there is always some learnig curve no matter what part is installed.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this than need be

Who said you have to buy everything that AGD makes? some people dont like I frames, me for one, and some do. Tom please DO NOT base your decision on a project by a few people on AO. Build a few beta's abd let us on AO with open minds give it a try. I am sorry but I cant kill an idea w/o implamentation.

jb

[logamus]

magman, i dont think any of us wants adg to release a product that is not ready. tom wouldnt do that ever again anyway. all i am saying is that you make good and damn sure that when people purchase this item they be given plenty of info regarding its short stroke ability. so long as this product is not a "standard feature" and is not widely marketed (i.e. the roller trigger) i dont think that there is as much negative as some people claim. i understand that you cant have the public beliving your marker is a paint chewer, but i really dont think the ult was ever intended for the new mag owner anyway.

i may be way off base, but i never really felt that this was designed for anyone other than a "mag enthusist" and my feelings on that is if someone is in love with their mag, they will work out whatever problems the ult MAY have. not many of us quit playing with our mags prior to the lvl10 bolt, some (like myself) still have a lvl7 bolt.

now if someone is at the field with their new ult and chopping left and right, i can see your point on a negative image. however, judging by the statements of those who have actually used the thing, its not a hard thing to figure out.

i dont want to say someone is right or wrong with their feelings on the subject, im just trying to express my feelings. im not trying to be selfish either, i dont want tom to rush anything out to anyone thats just not ready for play. however, if the trigger has come to a point where more "real world" study is needed, i dont think the companys rep is on the line by allowing a "beta" test with AO members. lets keep in mind that the multitudes that think mags chop, will think mags chop regardless of the trigger.

[magman007]

It may not have been created with any one other than a mag enthusiast in mind, but that is what will happen, and you know that. Word of an extremely light trigger for a mag will spread, and everyone on ao wil say get the ULT trigger etc, to any one wondering what to put on their brand new mag. Any product that needs to warn buyers of the possibility of shortstroking etc(in the paintball world) should not be released, untill it is un short strokeable.

Gtrsi, i wont say that i didnt have to learn the trigger, i just wasnt happy about having to do it. It isnt something that should be needed either, it should be able to shoot correctly outta the box.

[Marek]

Originally posted by gtrsi
I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this than need be

Tom please DO NOT base your decision on a project by a few people on AO.

I agree that ppl are making this a big deal, but I guess its that important.

I agree with your last sentence (not if your post, but what I edited out above) I don't think Mr. Kaye should only listen to a few here at AO, for or against the release and think of the majority of the paintball community. I think magman hit the nail on the head when saying that when ppl here about this from the web, friends, etc. they will want to try it out. Why make it exclusive to only Die hard mag ppl? Or really serious paintballers? (whatever that means)

Honestly, how many ppl can say they have tried it with less reactivity??? Not chopped or anything, but just tried it? There have been ppl that have tried out Mr. Kaye's gun, but that was an earlier version. I would love to try this out also, since I am curious how it works and how light it can be, but not at the cost of having a paintball disaster.

[logamus]

well i guess the debate is do you release a trigger that some users might shortstroke. my feeling is that the the boost in image the mag enthusist would have by being able to correctly use this upgrade is worth whatever negative (i think very minimial) side effects. because, like i said before those that think mags chop will always think that and there is little we or adg can do to change their oppinions. you know you could shoot 1000 rounds at 15bps with a mech trigger and not break one ball and they anti-mag guy would say, "dang thats fast, but i would never own a blender."

the ult is not for the noob. just like a cocker is not for a noob. people dont suggest getting a tricked out gun that needs lots of attention to make it work to the uneducated, i think this trigger is similar to that. its just the only product that adg has thats not "noob proof". i dont see why those of us that can handle such a performance upgrade should be denied that upgrade so it can be "dumb downed" for the masses. if anything cockers are more complicated today than they were 10 years ago and if the most complicated thing on a mag is a very light trigger that takes some getting use to, i dont see a thing wrong with that.

[magman007]

taw, he asked for our opinions as well, and we are giving them to him, im telling him not to take peoples opiinions, baisically doing the same thing you are, but im actually proving reasons why not to take opinions... baisically doing the same as ou, but with more calss, and more foundation, also, i have been here on ao longer than you, and am more active, there fore when the time calls, i act, as i should

[classicmagplayer]

[The Yellow Dart]

Ok, I am confused. There is about 10 different arguments going on at once.

-beta vs. non beta
-being tournament legal
-chopping paint
-who would learn how to use it
-etc.

Can we at least try and have organized arguments and discussions.

[nuclear zombie]

I vote that they do some more research/testing , on the matter .

The RT trigger is already awesome , I can already shoot just as fast as Tom did in the video , without the SLMT . It would be nice to have a lighter trigger , but I would wait until all of the bugs are ironed out before releasing it to the public .

[Hoplon]

Originally posted by magman007
Listen people, forget beta testing. You all want beta testing, because you all feel it will give you a chance to get this trigger faster. ...

You guys are being selfish, and only thinking of your selves, and what you want, well let me give you all a wake up, you are not the whole paintball crowd. ..... So think about it all of you...

Your heart is in the right place but please stop trying to police us. Releasing a beta version of this would be the only way to know for sure if it was going to be problematic. Most of you guys who are strongly against this product haven't tried the trigger.

People shortstroke my mag now when i let them try it. I don't see what the difference is.

Tom will be able to use his judgement to tell if the average joe can learn the trigger or not. Making it standard on xvalves might be a mistake though if some people will have problems with it.

Personally i liked the older, more reactive, on/off.