ULE Trigger, Can You Shoot It Right?

[FESTUS33]

I Won't Quote Myself from my above post!
I never owned or shot a Cocker until two week's ago, My SystemX Vengence was Rocking right out of the Box, I Have'nt short stroked it Yet! [And I'm Notorious for Short Strokin Mechanical Mag's] BUT My FSE-LX Mag will Alway's be my Main gun. I'll reitterate what I said above, Maybe it's time for Beta Test.
Rick

[CameraGuy]

Out of curiosity, how long has it taken players that have tried the ULE at demonstrations to learn how to shoot it without shortstroking?
It might be worthwhile to take a sampling of "average" players at a local field (ie. with and without prior experience using Mags, and varying levels of playing experience) and put them through timed testing (with, perhaps, a baseline group that is just handed the marker and paint, and another one or two groups given varying levels of instruction on the trigger's use) to find out just how difficult this trigger is to learn.
If you are only looking at what it takes to learn the ULE trigger, I don't think that a Beta release to AO members (as much as we may all want it ) will provide the information you're looking for, as Beta users will respond differently to the trigger (assuming that they are already dedicated mag users who have been watching the development of this trigger with great anticipation for some time now) than the majority of the paintball community.

If it turns out that an "average" player can't use the trigger after some kind of reasonable time period, it may be best to shelve this project for the time being, to be reevaluated at a later time.

That said, I do hope that the ULE trigger will be available to the public eventually, as it sounds like it has a great deal of potential.

[Jerhew]

make it a kit, as has been said already, so the player can adjust the reactivity to his or her liking
and beta test it.
this is the kind of thing that beta tests are for, isn't it?

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

You could always just use a big bore barrel and just shoot the double balls out.

[TheJester]

dispite my previous post, i think i'm leaning to a kit similar to the lvl 10, of which you can fine tune to your likings. add a couple parts to make it more reactive, and less mess ups, and and a couple parts to make it as light as possible.

I don't think that a Beta release to AO members (as much as we may all want it ) will provide the information you're looking for, as Beta users will respond differently to the trigger (assuming that they are already dedicated mag users who have been watching the development of this trigger with great anticipation for some time now) than the majority of the paintball community.

yea, but the thing is, the "average" person that will be using this will be us dedicated mag owners. so that average crowd you're talking about, is us. i'm willing to bet that the majority (if not maybe up in the 90% range) of the people who get this upgrade and will be learning it are dedicated mag owners, and have been for a while.

[athomas]

If the kit has a high probablility of short stroking in the hands of an inexperienced user then it is not a product that should be on the market. Inevitably, it will get into the hands of inexperienced users. People would then get the message through unhappy users, that the mag is not a user friendly gun. Bad press travels faster and farther than good press, so any bad press should be avoided whenever possible.

One question though. How does the mag short stroke (cuff) a ball using the level 10? Doesn't the operation of the level 10 dictate that if there is enough pressure in the chamber to push the bolt forward and chamber the ball, then the pressure is also great enough to fire it?

[Jonno06]

I don't think anyone pointed this out yet, but with the reactivity thing.....

Refs will usually pull you to check your gun if it is going Full-Auto..Don't most refs know that a mag can't be automatic with a Mechanical trigger?

[JAM]

well,
i think that if it can short-stroke like the mags of old, it should never be standard equipment. make an aftermarket option for people who are looking for performance- people who are probably competent enough to learn to not short stroke it. a lot of cutting edge products need some technique to work just right.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Rotate the sear on an offset axis that only turns one way.

Problem solved.

Edit: Wait nope... I just did a partial illustration of that and it's not that simple.

Otherwise I'm with Thordic on the trigger police. Crank the reactivity back up.

[breg]

Learn, we must (best yoda voice)

Hmmmmmmm,
that might be a problem. We could learn, but it's possible that we might not learn in time to save our rep as blenders 'o paint. Personally, I'd like one, but if it causes more problems than it solves. Then it's just not worth it. In many cases, the ULE trigger might take us back to square one. The Level 10 stopped chopping, but the ULE trigger may cause it.

Sorry, but like I said earlier: If it causes more problems than it sloves, don't do it.


Breg

[GT]

How many of you actually play tourneys? Those of you who do, are you willing to learn a new trigger during practice/rec ball? RARE

[Mutilus]

I used Tom's gun two weekends ago and I would have to say this ULE trigger is fine by me I can fire it with no problem. 200 rounds in under 12 seconds with no breaks I am happy, I am just waiting fo it's release.

[jdev]

i had no problems

not at all..

i fired off a few rounds on this and not once did I shortstroke.

i found it easy to pull, not difficult to figure out.

and hey, if you have troubles the first time around, dont put your hopper on.. just dryfire a bit till you get used to the trigger.

[dcmander]

I've been reading this thread and I think it is my turn for an opinion.

Every single post I have read by people who have actually shot Tom's setup at the meets has said it was easy, inredible, and no broken paint or shortstrokes.

This is an indication to me that the product is ready!! I would love this product and I could learn it no sweat if the other AOers are doing it. I still think it should be a kit though. That way for rec you can have a short trigger and high sensativity, but if you play a tournament you can quickly do whatever and make it less reactive and tourny legal. I think this is obviously the best solution and I think most people have agreed and voted for this option.

Make it a kit, include with Xvalve!

[lamingo]

i agree with dcmander all the ppl that have shot the ule trigger absoltly love it and had no problems short stoking it.