ULE Trigger, Can You Shoot It Right?

[AutomagBoy]

Tom, I say dont trust any one on the forums. One may say "I never short stroke" but do you even know if they will buy the trigger. For all you know someone could buy along with their frist mag, and no previous mag experience. All this trigger will probably do is hurt the company name more than help. I would just shelf it for a year or two and wait for an idea to pop to decrease short stroking. my two cents.

[paintballbeaver]

i guess i retract my earlier post i would lean twords magman007 and cypress0099 more than any thing dont put it on the back burner for us e-mag guys cause it could be very usefull but i also agree with mag man you should take your time with it and make sure all the bugs are worked out although a beta testing would help to do some of that

[azzkikr]

i agree with whoever said to make it a combo. in other words have the necesarry parts to make it a super reactive trigger and the stuff to make it more chuffable.

I mean, come on look at the classic valve, it can be short stroked rather easily and guys who take the time to learn it well can rip on it with no problem.

so I say come on out with it people who use mags normally know how to use their guns rather well and know the do's and don'ts of their guns.

later AZZKIKR

[RRfireblade]

DON"T let out till it's ready to fly on it's own.

Mags still haven't fully recovered from the "blender" rep.All it takes is another minor set back to get it going all over again.It would really suck if it's all over an inexpensive trigger Mod.

It sounds like a neat idea but seriously, I didn't hear anyone complaining about how "Hard" their Mag trigger was in the first place.Why start trouble?

My .02 cents. ( I'm gonna need a reciept)

Jay.

[CMDane]

I haven't checked the valves on my RTP or Micro yet, but if they are double o-ring, I'll be buying a ULE trigger kit for each. I have no problems learining the trigger, in fact, I normally run at least a case of paint through my marker when I upgrade something (Intelli, Warp, etc.) before I form an opinion.

With that said, I do want to be able to hand my marker over to someone and have them rip on the trigger without having to learn it. More than once, I've loaned my Warped RTP to someone and let them play a game, or did the LX "finger in the breech" trick.

While I can't say that I've accounted for a couple of Mags sold, I can say that I've been fortunate enough to dispel the paint blender reputation with a couple of old school players. If I loan my RTP out to someone (newbie or experienced), I don't want to hear a chuff, then see a spray of paint shoot out the end.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with the people that advise you to beta test to a select group of Mag owners that play on a consistant basis and you know will give you feedback. I'd love to be in that group, but I know I don't play often enough to give you the feedback you would need. Once the chuffing problem is fixed, then mass market the kit. Don't release tourney and recball kits, that's more expense for you (R&D, packaging, marketing, possible tourney problems and reputation) and a hit to the wallets of the rec/tourney players.

Charles

[TheJester]

Originally posted by Frank (the spank)
Must be why in the video you are really letting your fingers forward before you pull again.

Tom... whenever there is a problem, you fix it in what seems like overnight and do such an awesome job with it (lvl X).

Can't you make.. some sort of anti short stroke? Such as, you cannot pull the trigger until it goes forward all the way, like it locks you from pulling the trigger again until it has been released all the way. Like the rod has small teeth on it and a lock thats released when the trigger goes forward, but if the trigger is not all the way forward the lock stays "clamped" and will catch on one of the teeth if you try and pull it without letting go forward.

Eh?

I bet it would be easy for you to do that. But... people need to learn how to pull a damn trigger, it's not that hard. And you NEED this new trigger.. a trigger that makes all mags have the pull of an electro? Damn.. I wanna buy stock in AGD, lol

that sounds like a a good idea to me. i know i would be willing to learn it, i would prolly dry fire a tank or 2 of air, and a hopper or 2 before i went out and played (that's what i did w/ my x-valve) to learn it and to break it in. but personally i would like to keep the reactiveness of my x-valve

speaking of wich, i'll do a search too, but can any 1 tell me how much it reduces the reactiveness? and he said that lowering the presure wouldn't help much, but what if you were to increase the presure, would that increase the reactiveness?

[PaintballSmurf13]

I honestly have no experience with rt triggers, but i think a ULE trigger is a GREAT idea. I'd buy it as soon as it came out (and an xvalve). I feel that learning the trigger of a gun can be easy, you just need patience. When I first picked up a cocker, I short stroked it relentlessly, chop after chop. But now i own a cocker and learned the trigger, and i can rip with ease. If your not willing to learn the trigger of a manual gun then just buy an electro.

[TheJester]

ok, 1st, sorry for the double post, but i can't see my 1st 1 yet, but i just did a search for the reactivity issue. and how much is it reduced by?

ULE Trigger is still in testing. We have reduced the reactivity but it has a tendency to short stroke

that's the only thing i found that mentions the reactivity issue found here

[Marek]

Originally posted by PaintballSmurf13
I feel that learning the trigger of a gun can be easy, you just need patience. When I first picked up a cocker, I short stroked it relentlessly, chop after chop. But now i own a cocker and learned the trigger, and i can rip with ease. If your not willing to learn the trigger of a manual gun then just buy an electro.

I really wish the general public was as patient with a mag as they are with cockers. Unfortuantely that is not the case, and I can just see the stupid blender pics that ppl will come out with if this is the case. If a person was chopping like hell on a cocker, "oh you need to learn the trigger" If a person was just chopping on a mag "oh, it's a blender"

If this means anything to anyone, I would wait and try to make it as fool proof as possible. It's sad to see when ppl are still complaining about paint chopping even with Lvl 10. The first thing to check is if they installed it wrong and that usually fixes the problem.

If this means holding off, then hold off. It would only hurt the company rather than help the company go up in the ranks.

[FESTUS33]

Tom I got a chance too Dryfire the ULE Triggered RTP at Our AO Meet Saturday at Sam's. As someone who is relearning how to shoot mechanical gun's{witness my game at the meet with a swing trigger Cocker} it felt very nice "BUT" I never had it on the field with paint in it! Beta Test May not be a Bad Idea at this point. Send it out to some of the Team guy's and some selected customer's and get the FeedBack from the Field!
Rick

[AutomagRT1483]

Heck yeah Rick, I'm up for some testing! {If I would be one of the selected testers, hint...hint.. } I dry fired that trigger as well on Saturday. It was nice. Never had it with any paint either though.

[Steelrat]

Reactivity illegal?

I know its just a part of this discussion, but I'm just getting back into the sport, and I was wondering about all the "illegal reactivity" talk. Are reactive triggers illegal in tournaments, or just a certain level of reactivity?

[nippinout]

Here's my take...

Release the ULE Trigger with the recommendation of using the reactive parts to limit double feeding. Also release it with the chuffing parts for tourney players.

Not every tourney player has an emag, but the chuffing wouldn't be a problem for e-mode.

Having a ULE trigger with reactivity isn't really a concern for the rec level. We already have RT Pros, RTs, and Tippmann RT's.

The concern over chuffing/reactivity is about tourney legalities. I still don't understand why the NPPL and PSP have concern over AGD products when the gun is running properly. Anyways...

AGD also has a tourney on/off pin and selector switch in the at some stage of devlopment. Tourney players will have to learn the trigger as with any other gun to shoot it properly. You still see plenty of mechanical cockers in tournaments that can have problems from short stroking.

The largest consumer base for mags is the rec player. We would play with the reactive parts. Tourney players can't just be ignored, but I'm sure tourney players wouldn't mind learning to pull the trigger correctly.

Release one version with parts for both chuff and reactive. Recommend the reactive parts.

[Mossman]

Tom I think that all of us that shot it at megameet will agree, that was one sweetly setup trigger. Very light, very crisp, just reactive enough but no rule committee would call it too easy to runaway.

If you can put out a drop in kit that'll turn an RT valve'd mag's trigger pull into ANYTHING like your chord was shooting at mega it'll be the best mag upgrade since LX

[Grasshopper]

God, that trigger is making me salivate just thinking about it. But now looking back on my first thoughts, of having the trigger be released ASAP, I take it back. The blender reputation always made me laugh (I rarley chop with a classic valve). But, getting the blender type reputation for AGD against would hurt sales and the company over all. I say just keep it back until you can figure out the problems. Please, by all means, do not scrap this project. This trigger sounds insanley awsome! Just try to get the bugs and stuff worked out, so everyone can enjoy the super mag.