Lat Ion post from me.... I Swear

[JimmyBeam]

I get like 6 pods and a loader out of 1 fill on a 68, 4.5k fill on my stock Ion. Is that efficient

an Ion with a QEV will get about ~400 shots per 1k in pressure. i could probably go more....i'll play with the dwell and let you know

[Lohman446]

But with what you put into the ION what is it's current "as new" price?

Mine... let me use the "going" prices... I don;t pay near that for anything

Ion - $284
CCM no-pro feedneck (yes, the feedneck sucked) $30
Shorty drop and ASA $50

$364 great marker for what I use it for... its how I use it. This is with a screw in tank, I'll throw a max-flo on it just because, but I don't really need it

I stopped upgrading there. I toyed with the idea of a new trigger $30 (but the one on it now works and I don't "notice" it during the game) and I even bought a freak back for it... but I always use the stock barrel... I just like the simplicity of not having to choose barrel size.

But you did get my point I see.. soon enough people will be explaining why there 17BPS Ion, with special body, detents (the stock ones work), new reg, new whatever that cost them $800 to build is better than a $284 17BPS stock Ion... guess what, for use, it probably won't.

I judge the Ion to be a success for me. When I am playing nothing about the marker is "noticed" that is to say I don't, during play, which for a better anything. Sure the trigger could be better, but if I don't notice it in play, does it matter?

[WARPED1]

the funny thing is that if AGD would have came out with this gun, it would have been the best thing in years, the tolerances would have been +/- .0000000000001, it would have started another "mag revolution", and everyone on AO would be getting it.

I love my mags but some of you people need to suck it up and admit that other guns are equal or better they your mags.

about the field stripping. I really dont see how "hard" it is? People make it out like its a half hour project to tear down the gun. I could have it ripped down, lubed, and put back together in 5-10 minutes easily.

rant over.

Like I have said in many Ion threads, most of AO is just pissed AGD didn't do it first. How come no one is bagging on the Diablo Wrath? Now, that $259 gun with eyes,is a polished turd!

[oldsoldier]

I did have issues, with fittings in the marker (the internal line fittings) leaking, which I had to repair and as always when I called SP they explained how this, like every other QC or lack thereof issue, was not there fault. PS - this is the thing that annoys me most about SP, a lack of saying, might have been our fault, yes we will send you that. It annoys me, to me it is horrible customer service (considering in the past year I have purchased a max-flo tank, three shockers, and an ion for my own personal use I think it sucks), and should be addressed. Considering the dealer I have purchased them through has spent a large sum of money with SP, and I have personally, I expected better CS. I choose to live with it though...

I don't "love" the trigger on the Ion, but in game it works great for me. So I guess there is no complaint there. I have been considering upgrading it, but don't want to get in the position of having a $800 Ion through upgrades (ok, thats exagerated, but I think you know what I mean).

This is EXACTLY what I was saying. To me customer service is alot. If a company takes the time to help the customer, either over the phone, or, in this instance, sending something in to be teched, and the do it HAPPILY, that means alot to me. SP, when I had my impulse (worst PB decision ever), told me it was MY fault that, when shooting the gun, for the first time mind you, the gun literally fell apart. They didnt want to help me over the phone, telling me I must've done something for that to happen. Right there, I made the decision to sell the damned thing. I have NEVER had a problem with AGD doing that, nor with Bob Long, for that matter. I was so peeved at SP for the way they treated their customers, I even sold my freak kit.

[Lohman446]

This is EXACTLY what I was saying. To me customer service is alot. If a company takes the time to help the customer, either over the phone, or, in this instance, sending something in to be teched, and the do it HAPPILY, that means alot to me. SP, when I had my impulse (worst PB decision ever), told me it was MY fault that, when shooting the gun, for the first time mind you, the gun literally fell apart. They didnt want to help me over the phone, telling me I must've done something for that to happen. Right there, I made the decision to sell the damned thing. I have NEVER had a problem with AGD doing that, nor with Bob Long, for that matter. I was so peeved at SP for the way they treated their customers, I even sold my freak kit.

I make no defense of SPs customer service - it sucks. There tech support is paid and expected to tell you why it is your fault. I understand a lot of time its 14yr old kids who don't know a thing messing these up and its there fault, but I am not. You place more value on CS than I do. If I had a company that produced the same image (I place some importance there), some performance, same price, and same marketting as SP, with good CS and QC I would buy it. You place more emphasis on QC and CS than I do. Its a judgement call you make and I respect. At least you say this is why and are able to tell us why... you don't just say "SP sucks". Its a position different than mine, but easily understood and respected. I have been peeved with SP after getting off the line with tech support (I don't even bother trying them anymore)... I have chose to accept this shortfall when I consider the benefits.

[JAM]

hey, the IONs not the final word in paintball guns, but it is a good gun.
I like them... I also have no problem with SP.

I saw a lot of IONS at the field this past weekend and they all seemed to be working well. everyone seemed happy with them. I think it's a good gun for a good price.

The only thing I'm not really happy about is the ramping,but he ion's not the only gun with that.
more bodies in diff colors would be cool.

[SlartyBartFast]

If I had a company that produced the same image (I place some importance there), some performance, same price, and same marketting as SP, with good CS and QC I would buy it.

But nobody wants to pay for customer service.

Just look at how much AGD prices dropped with the introduction of the Custon ULE. hat was also introduced at the same time? The elimination of the star system for free rebuilds.

Customer service good or bad costs tons of money per hour. Easily quadruple what the techs are paid per hour (add in management and overhead). So, if you're selling a marker at low markup and trying to maintain profitability, all you can do is lower average per marker CS costs. Sometimes you do that by increasing quality, others by running cheaper on-line resources (or sponsoring them), or stonewalling all requests so only the persistent get service.

[Lohman446]

Unfortunately we will find, in most everything, there are some trade offs to be made. What gets annoying is the people who refuse to admit this and foster a zealotism towards or against a company that transposes all logic. (not you)

[WARPED1]

I agree. People just have to face it. For the money, the Ion is the best gun. If anyone still wants to waste $1000 plus on a gun, more power to them!

[vonort]

Yawnnn!!! hmmmmm can i wake up now... yeah to say i wasn't impressed would be an understatement.

[mag88888]

wait......the frame is permanetly connected to the asa??????so i cant put a rail on that thing? that means no one can use adjustable tanks with it?

[The Action Figure]

no, the frame is connected to the front asa, the one the reg screws into

[mag88888]

action figure: for some reason your post confused me. can i replace the asa with a rail or anything else? whats stuck on there?

[MadMos]

god, you people dont seem to get it do you? the ion is great, yes this is true, but listen, it isnt meant to destroy other markers. these 1800 dollar markers, are made with more precision, more quality, better parts, and more reliable opperating systems. the ion is great, but it isnt on the same level as the superguns of today. it may shot fast, but so do e spysers!

Hi guys I am new here but figured I would start off with a bang.

I totally agree with magman here. I have owned 2 Ions and both had to be returned. This all happened in the same day. The first one had a problem with the mode switch, which btw is the cheapest switch I have ever seen on any marker. It literally just fell apart upon lightly touching it. The second one had a problem with the power switch, which btw if you peel the sticker off covering it you will see it is the same exact cheap switch as the mode switch.

the Ion is a high performance marker @ a cheap price. But that cheap price comes at the sacrafice of some cheaper components. I may try the Ion again in the future becuase it is a lot of marker for the money, but I will wait to they start coming out with the second gen ones with these pesky flaws fixed.

It is because of the Ion that I am new to this forum. I am currently looking at the Mags and came here for info on them. I hope you all don't take my first post badly but I am an ex Ion owner and figured I would chime in. And thanks to the Ion it looks like AGD will sell another marker based on their history of providing high quality, high preforming markers.

[WARPED1]

Yawnnn!!! hmmmmm can i wake up now... yeah to say i wasn't impressed would be an understatement.

Then you are stpid and blind.