Has the electro seen its peak?

[evilhomer]

I moved to pump about 3 years ago from playing with my mech Mag. I wanted to try a different style of play. Pump was awesome and I got hooked on it. I became pretty damn good at it. Last summer I decided I wanted to try electro as well. I bought a DM4 and it's extremely fun. I found that there is a ton of skill involved in electro.

I honestly didn't find that my pump skills could be transferred over to my semi game. The snapping, moving, running, and shooting(obviously) is completely different. I think a lot of people are switching from pump to mech to electro back and forth because they want constant competition.

I'm kind of sick hearing people bash on semis and electros. I played pump 3 years straight, sometimes 3 times a week against semis, pumps, noobs, tourney players, even regional teams (who played with semis), so I have tons of experience pumping. Semi play requires it's own distinct skills. Have any of you mech/pumpers tried running and gunning with an electro? Holding a steady lane? Snapping with a massive hopper on top? Podding? Staying aware of all bunkers while shooting a lane or keeping someone in? It's not as easy as it looks. Trust me.

Don't get me wrong, I love playing with my Phantom. In fact I play with it every weekend against tourney players. I just thought I'd vent.

[Yamz]

Revolution

Electros have taken the fun... it was cool once upon a time, but not anymore. The only question is with the integrity gone from the tourny scene if WE found a way to make a league that does have limits and diffrent classes who would comprise the WE. I for one am in.

AO used to have revolutions pop up everyday. now is the time to really do one. Lets use our collective minds to make it better.

[Troen]

Anything can happen, but do you think it will go up?

if you come out with a sweet gun, it will

[rabidchihauhau]

Many months later now since this thread was first created, and responded to...do we see the electro reaching its peak?

there is no 'peak' for ROF. we have a limiting factory from delivery systems, but that's overshadowed I think by limitations of the ball.

here's one of the issues tom was referring to in a round-about way: the 'leagues' have allowed technology to rule. if we have reached a board/cycle limit, someone will intro a duel barrel system and after a few threats and bribes, it will be allowed in competition play - and then we can all start all over again.

[RogueFactor]

there is no 'peak' for ROF. we have a limiting factory from delivery systems, but that's overshadowed I think by limitations of the ball.

here's one of the issues tom was referring to in a round-about way: the 'leagues' have allowed technology to rule. if we have reached a board/cycle limit, someone will intro a duel barrel system and after a few threats and bribes, it will be allowed in competition play - and then we can all start all over again.

Artificial ROF is overrated.

I think Tom said it best with this quote...

Now that the exclusivity is gone, and the climb (otherwise known getting some skills) is gone everyone is debating what to do next.

Looking at NASCAR they are changing the rules all the time to keep the playing field level. Sure the drivers HATE not having an advantage but you know what? it keeps the fans coming. Most other sports have catagories which you can compete in, stock, pro, modified etc. In our sport if you cheat enough they change the rules to let everyone do it.

AGD

[Lohman446]

Artificial ROF is overrated.

I think Tom said it best with this quote...

Was the RT not artificial rate of fire? Using technology to gain BPS?

[Jaan]

There comes a point in all technology where it's "pretty darn good" and everyone can live with it. After that point you get some ordinary refinements but until the next major leap in innovation occurs it tends to say the same. Look at something like the AK-47 ... even in a market as "competitive" as warfare, after almost 60 years that piece of technology still delivers everything you need in an assault weapon.

What can an electro give you that you "need"? It seems like the people who want high rates of fire already have it, and the guns are pretty reliable to boot.

What I'm hoping will happen is that the average rec ball player will realize that they play for *fun*, and that having a good time will be the next driving force in paintball. You're already seeing this with people going back to the woods and resurrecting their old pump guns.

[slade]

Was the RT not artificial rate of fire? Using technology to gain BPS?

yes. but its a mag, so its okay.

[Lohman446]

Was the RT not artificial rate of fire? Using technology to gain BPS?

Dang... forgot that rule

[RogueFactor]

Was the RT not artificial rate of fire? Using technology to gain BPS?

Anything that shoots for the user is artificial.

Obviously tournaments promoters thought the RT artifical. They banned the use of it. It is unfortunate that the side effect of the RT is bounce/runaway/full-auto. Its original intention was merely faster recharge rates.

As Tom stated, NASCAR works hard to keep the playing field level. This is true of nearly every major sport.

All variables in a sport should be minimized as much as possible to be constants, except one...skill. And in a shooting sport, such as paintball, its skill that should be doing the shooting, not technology.

[hitech]

Was the RT not artificial rate of fire? Using technology to gain BPS?

I think it is a gray area that is debatable. I certainly thought it was at first. I thought it was a horrible development. However, that was a knee-jerk reaction.

Let look at what it actually does. First, for the sake of argument, let's exclude "run-away". The marker is simply preparing itself for the next firing cycle as fast as possible. It is in no way firing the marker for you.

You could argue that is not the way it is used. I can't really comment on how it is used in the real world. However, I will say that "run-away" of any type never should have been allowed. That does artificially increase BPS. Without that, it is simply the marker readying itself for the next shot as quick as possible.

[Lohman446]

What is artificial BPS? The use of technology to gain BPS? Or some more specific explanation.

Don't discount what the RT was and did. It clearly was "hyped" and proven, under proper operating circumstances (no run away) to increase BPS by increasing trigger return force. Artificial BPS... using technology to gain BPS.

[grEnAlEins]

In a game based on skill, where the user pulls every shot, there is no such thing as artifical bps.

Balls per second(the amount of balls that come out of the marker), can only be had by the user pulling the trigger. In a sport/game based on shooting, there is nothing artifical about that.

Well put sir! I agree whole-heartedly.

As far as has the electro seen its peak... kinda I believe that we are at a point where we really do not need anything more. My electros are light, can out cycle my fingers, etc.

Has ROF seen a peak, I doubt it. You will always have some yahoo who wants to shoot 9 billion BPS at kids with rentals (like last time I played when some gentleman was nice enough to take his brand new Ego and ramp his pants off playing against a bunch of first timers with 98C's). He won the game... . To satisfy this type of person, who will spend obscene amounts of money on the latest greatest thing despite having no need, the industry will always develop technologies. I think that we will soon see a new marker type (eg not a poppet or spooler, something totally new) and new loaders and propellants to match it. It might be awhile down the line, but "I hear the train a'commin', It's just around the bend."

Just my thoughts, and I am just some college punk, so I could be very wrong indeed

[Lohman446]

In a game based on skill, where the user pulls every shot, there is no such thing as artifical bps.

Balls per second(the amount of balls that come out of the marker), can only be had by the user pulling the trigger. In a sport/game based on shooting, there is nothing artifical about that.

I still hold it valid, that the RT did seek to increase BPS through technology

[RogueFactor]

I still hold it valid, that the RT did seek to increase BPS through technology

ROF = What the Player is capable of. BPS - What the marker is capable of. Youve attempted to change the premise from ROF to BPS. Again, there is no such thing as artifical BPS.

More importantly, the point is, technology should never replace the main skill of a sport.

As long as the player is actually pulling the trigger, what the RT sought to do is irrelevant.