The PTP Choke.

[GT]

We should also be thankfull to RRfireblade and everyone else on this forum that works on mag upgrades and support. (logic, luke, tuna, rouge, chris/devil, tag). If it wasnt for those guys we would be in worse shape.

Don't dare put PTP in the same light as logic, luke, tuna, rouge, chris/devil, and tag. These guys are doing it, every day for the mag guys. My point PTP really doesnt give a dam about agd, and the prove it, time and time again. The folks listed about put thier *** on line consitantly and produce some amazing products.

A) They all originally started out using stock AGD parts.Still doesn't change the fact that none of them will make a dent in annual sales worthy of dedicated /primary full time Mag part production.

My point which you have illastrated over and over, why bother with mag R&D when you know you won't produce a single unit?

most people don't realize how LUCKY they were to even get a glimpse of what COULD HAVE been coming..

So I can tell a kid at the field how cool mags are and instead of SHOWING a cool product to them, I tell them the URL where they can DL the video? "Hey man, mags rule just check out the cool vid for a product that is never coming to market."

Alright, you show me how many products you've designed, brought to market, and made money on, and I will call your opinion on the matter valid. Until then, you might at least consider the word of someone who has, before you write it off as BS.

I really hate this level of argument. Usually it signals the loss of any compatite thought. I will be completely honest, I have worked on the R&D side in several industries for small companies, that develop products for limited market shares. Most of the product I have worked on is towards the end of product development. I am not at liberity to say who I worked for or what product lines I worked on. I am not a representitive for any of those compaines or products and thus if I worked for any PB company, I never did, you would not hear a peep from me about the company I worked for nor the product. Employees can routinly destroy a companies name and the sucess of a product by posting something silly on a message board.

Besides,
It is good buisness to seperate my personal opinion from the buisness operation. I wouldn't want people to not buy my product because I think your a lammer, for example .


lastly,
I am not talking about RR I am talking about PTP. If they know the resources are not availible then don't develop the products. Or if you do the R&D don't show the whole world of somehting you know won't happen.

[rkjunior303]

Do I dare ask, what has AGD done for PTP?

[Automaggot68]

Do I dare ask, what has AGD done for PTP?

No, becuase what do you know Rob?
Nothing we can say is going to deter these guys from attacking jay or PTP.
The best part about it, is that the argument would be completely different if Jay wasn't around [on the forums].
Jay gets this flak because he's the 'face' of PTP on AO, and its utterly rediculous that he gets the crap for AO's victim complex.

For as long as I've known Jay, he's alays been more than considerate, patient, and courteous to aLL AO members.

[p_aint_fun]

Well since they deleted the pneumag thread in the Dealer's forum, I am still wondering if anyone has taken the time to contact PTP by phone or e-mail? If so, what answer did you get if any? I really get tired of reading posts about PTP or Jay or what's happening with the project from people that don't actually take the time to try to find out what is happening from the company directly. I mean how hard is it to pick up the phone and call them? Or send an e-mail? More time spent showing the company some interest in a potential product and less time spent *****ing is a good thing IMO. Take this how you like it.

[Automaggot68]

Well since they deleted the pneumag thread in the Dealer's forum, I am still wondering if anyone has taken the time to contact PTP by phone or e-mail? If so, what answer did you get if any? I really get tired of reading posts about PTP or Jay or what's happening with the project from people that don't actually take the time to try to find out what is happening from the company directly. I mean how hard is it to pick up the phone and call them? Or send an e-mail? More time spent showing the company some interest in a potential product and less time spent *****ing is a good thing IMO. Take this how you like it.

And This will do what again?

[p_aint_fun]

And This will do what again?

Give PTP a reason to build the darn thing. Companies don't generally produce goods if they don't think anyone will buy them. Basic supply and demand.

[Lohman446]

Considering having seen things on this board before, and seeing how much flak others have gotten when trying to do things for mag users I would not design anything over $100 for a mag without a large preorder and a signed acknowledgement from everyone involved about the timeline. This would be a hassle, do you really blame PTP for not wanting any part of it at this point?

[rabidchihauhau]

My point which you have illastrated over and over, why bother with mag R&D when you know you won't produce a single unit?

Well, Mr. Genius, has it ever occurred to you that the technology in the P frame might have application elsewhere? Has it occurred to you that maybe the dollars coming from those other applications are worth a lot more than a couple of hundred happy mag users?

Obviously not.

Go take a look at the patents. Then put on your imagination hat, do a quick survey of the industry and then ask yourself if there's a bigger profit margin from manufacturing something or fom licensing...

[Bulldog]

Well, Mr. Genius, has it ever occurred to you that the technology in the P frame might have application elsewhere? Has it occurred to you that maybe the dollars coming from those other applications are worth a lot more than a couple of hundred happy mag users?

Obviously not.

Go take a look at the patents. Then put on your imagination hat, do a quick survey of the industry and then ask yourself if there's a bigger profit margin from manufacturing something or fom licensing...

I think GT already answered this one, Mr. Genius.

If the sad truth is that mag's are not profitible why does a PTP continually wave the carrot only to a. eat it up or b. take it away completely?

My point: Don't post what you are doing becuase we know, and you, dam well that it is not going to happen

gt
-go 'stros

[Automaggot68]

Give PTP a reason to build the darn thing. Companies don't generally produce goods if they don't think anyone will buy them. Basic supply and demand.

And hey, guess what?
There isn't a big enough demand for them.
This has happenbed before PTP.

People on here talk and talk and talk.
And they never muster up the money when it's time to get to business.

"If i made this, would you buy it?'
'YEAH!'

'Hey, i made it. Wheres the money?'
'Uhm.."

[RRfireblade]

My turn to ask questions.....

Who waived a carrot and took it away?

Who said it's not still planned for release?

What if I did jump the gun on the pre-release in an effort to push the Mag version of the project along and hopefully show that enough interests exists to warrant further attention?

Who said PTP isn't just as unhappy about the amount of time this thing has dragged on?

Ever dawn on anybody that perhaps 'other' things outside of PTPs control right now may have delayed it?

Why is it that whenever people don't get what they want ASAP they assume it's because the people they want it from are snuffing them?

If you don't get what you want for Xmas does that mean that Santa or your Parents hate you? Maybe they tried thier best and things just didn't go as well as they liked?

Maybe the world isn't perfect regardless of good poeple trying their best to do the right thing?

Maybe the Dealer thread is gone (along with 1000+ other posts and threads of mine, btw) because the person who started it in honest, good faith and in his own good name is tired of being caught in the middle of this whole F N thing when he has NO CONTROL WHAT SO EVER on having things go the way he would like them too and is tired of getting slammed over and over again and at the same time having his mag loyalty questioned for only doing everything in his power to promote and support the Automag both in business and in his personal life not to mention giving away tons of free Mag stuff all over the place including this Forum on nearly a daily basis?

Maybe periods are a good thing?

Maybe the Mag community 'is' bettter off with one less aftermarker parts supplier with an honest Mag interest, not to mention one that was one of , if not 'the' first and largest Mag parts supplier in the history of the the Mag and without whom the Mag may not have even survived this long and likely not in it's current form?

Maybe I should stop coming to this Forum all together........?

[nicad]

Well, Mr. Genius, has it ever occurred to you that the technology in the P frame might have application elsewhere? Has it occurred to you that maybe the dollars coming from those other applications are worth a lot more than a couple of hundred happy mag users?

Obviously not.

Go take a look at the patents. Then put on your imagination hat, do a quick survey of the industry and then ask yourself if there's a bigger profit margin from manufacturing something or fom licensing...

Chihauhau- I agree on the licensing vs. producing.
BTW- Which patent #(s) have the claims covering P frame pneumatic triggers?

[rkjunior303]

Maybe the Dealer thread is gone (along with 1000+ other posts and threads of mine, btw) because the person who started it in honest, good faith and in his own good name is tired of being caught in the middle of this whole F N thing when he has NO CONTROL WHAT SO EVER on having things go the way he would like them too and is tired of getting slammed over and over again and at the same time having his mag loyalty questioned for only doing everything in his power to promote and support the Automag both in business and in his personal life not to mention giving away tons of free Mag stuff all over the place including this Forum on nearly a daily basis?

Wow, that's some sentence

[behemoth]

Wow, that's some sentence

mhmm.

Jay, just know some people out here Think that this is a bunch of BS, and you should be exhonorated for what you've done, not insulted.

that being said, those people would LOVE to see all the neat little things that you've created and never marketed for one reason or another...

[rkjunior303]

mhmm.

Jay, just know some people out here Think that this is a bunch of BS, and you should be exhonorated for what you've done, not insulted.

that being said, those people would LOVE to see all the neat little things that you've created and never marketed for one reason or another...

QFT