Can paintball be saved ?

[txaggie08]

I wish message boards had been popular back in the old days, then we could dredge these arguments between "single vs double trigger" "e vs. mech"


And the holy grail of paintball pissing contests "MAG v. cocker"


Paitnball has been changing since it first got started...

[rabidchihauhau]

well, I can tell you from personal experience that the first 'arguments' were for barrel length and whether or not the new-fangled 'constant air' should be allowed in tournaments or not.

The barrel length argument was 'no barrel over 10" in length allowed in tournament play'.

that lasted about half a season.

the argument against CA managed to hold on for about three seasons and was finally broken by the Ironmen of CA at a World Cup in NYC. And of course, Lively allowed it from the get-go.

The next argument was against agitating hoppers, then over the introduction of HPA (I fought that one with Tom at the Paintcheck 5 Man event back in, I think it was '92. For the record, I had no problem with Tom, and no inherent problem with the technology. My main concern was the lack of testing and experience data and the fact that such "potentially" influential technology should not be introed at a tournament for the first time...)

Then we hit the electro-marker BS; we tried to hold the line at 'gravity feed hoppers only' reasoning that it was easy to police and enforce and would inherently limit the ROF, no matter what kind of marker you were using, to about 13 BPS.

Now it doesn't matter anymore - everyone seems to think that 'cheating tech' is 'cool'...

[hitech]

the argument against CA managed to hold on for about three seasons and was finally broken by the Ironmen of CA at a World Cup in NYC. And of course, Lively allowed it from the get-go.

Ummmm, no...

I played in Lively tournaments that did not allow CA. My buddy bought one of those new 6 packs from AGD. That thing made a huge difference. I bought one after that tournament, and never used it in an actual tournament...



I was told by AGD that the 6 pack was intended to allow CA in tournaments, so I warned before I bought it.

Now it doesn't matter anymore - everyone seems to think that 'cheating tech' is 'cool'...

Yup, and it's not just confinded to ramping...

[txaggie08]

I came in after CA was being allowed, but the hopper debate was still running.

I also remember the HPA arguments and all the crazy things being said about it

[txaggie08]

just sat and watched some youtube videos of tourny play.....


Why has it become "cool" to see how close you can get to someone then bonus ball them?

[Aggravated Assault]

for fantasy's sake, here's the way it should work:

1. MINIMUM of 1 year of documented/certified STOCK GUN PLAY. The 'year' is defined as a minimum of 32 days of play using only tilt-feed, pump operated markers with 12-gram cartridges as the only legal airsource. All paint must be carried in ten round tubes; players may not carry more than 120 rounds per game. Fields will 'punch the players' card and, after they've got 32 notches, they can move on to:

2. minimum of 1 year of PUMP GUN PLAY. Pump guns may have gravity feed loaders and/or hoppers. CO2 bottles can be used as an air source. 32 days minimum. Paint may be carried in tubes or 75 or 100 round pods. Nor more than 350 rounds may be carried per game.

3. Minimum of 1 year of STOCK SEMI-AUTO/DOUBLE-ACTION/ASSISTED PUMP play. Gas is still limited to CO2. 500 rounds of paint may be carried. Agitating hoppers may be used - but they may NOT be 'force-feed'. Semi-autos, double-actions and assisted modes are limited to mechanical and mechanical-pneumatic systems.

4. Minimum of 1 year of ELECTRO-SEMI-AUTO. Markers may utilize a solenoid to trip the sear; NO ENHANCED FIRING MODES AT ALL.

5. 1 Year ENHANCED ELECTRONIC MARKER play. Open - anything goes.

So - five years playing the sport, four of them without enhancement. You can also shave up to 8 'punches' off your card by participating in a day of play using one of the 'lesser' standards (play with stock class while everyone else used semi-auto) so long as you spend the entire day using the lower tech.

What does it get you? Well, let's see. It keeps you in the game for five years, almost 4 times longer than the average. It gives you three years of play with relatively low costs. It makes you purchase at least five different markers. It gets you a card with lots of holes punched in it. It gets you skills on the field you wouldn't have otherwise. It gets you laughed at by the other paintball idiots who aren't on a 'track'...

Here's a good example. For arguments sake say there are several people who agree and want to help implement those ideas in the hopes that it catches on. Because, well, all great ideas have to start from scratch somewhere.

The old saying is: you can take a horse to water but you can't make em' drink. How would/could you sell this idea so players would actually want to be a part of it? What could be the "carrot" that draws them in? Any idea for that matter, not just the one above...

[tech-chan]

Guys I have sooo flouded myspace with this...
Do the same for the good of the sport!
Thanks tech-chan

[indecisive]

just sat and watched some youtube videos of tourny play.....


Why has it become "cool" to see how close you can get to someone then bonus ball them?

The gun just keeps going they don't have much of a choice. I'm not defending this behavior however as I abhor the idea of my gun shooting more times than I pull the trigger.

[CKY_Alliance]

The gun just keeps going they don't have much of a choice. I'm not defending this behavior however as I abhor the idea of my gun shooting more times than I pull the trigger.

Ahh, Ramping ...or PSP atleast.. is much easier to controll then you would think, there is no excuse for not being able to controll your gun...if you can't controll it then you don't need to be using it.

[Lohman446]

Ahh, Ramping ...or PSP atleast.. is much easier to controll then you would think, there is no excuse for not being able to controll your gun...if you can't controll it then you don't need to be using it.

As a general rule a ramping marker, with teh trigger set reasonably, is far easier to control than the "semi" marker with the trigger set "well"

[hitech]

As a general rule a ramping marker, with the trigger set reasonably, is far easier to control than the "semi" marker with the trigger set "well"

Unless of course your ramping marker has a "sticky" trigger and doesn't always return well, like mine did last time.

[RogueFactor]

As a general rule a ramping marker, with teh trigger set reasonably, is far easier to control than the "semi" marker with the trigger set "well"

Are you saying it takes more skill to control a semi marker while shooting?

[CKY_Alliance]

As a general rule a ramping marker, with teh trigger set reasonably, is far easier to control than the "semi" marker with the trigger set "well"

This is especially true with timmy's..they like to bounce, but then again any gun can be set to do that....

[Altimas]

Im just proud of all you guys, really I am. No one posted a picture of that Owl.

[flashgordon]

Im just proud of all you guys, really I am. No one posted a picture of that Owl.

Couldn't resist