Can paintball be saved ?

[Lohman446]

And softball. You drink beer and once in a while, hit a ball.

As for the original topic, paintball is fine. Leave it alone.

Beh, you can drink around paintball too. Ask AFTICA

[CKY_Alliance]

Let me guess. I bet you are 19 or younger. Thats a contradiction. Sounds like intent to me. Is your umbrella policy payed up?

Peace Out

Ye i sure am, but there is deffinatley a difference in getting shot in the adams apple area, and the side of the neck..and im not worried about my umbrella policy, if they are on the field then they are are/should be aware of the dangers of playing.

[hitech]

The 6 pak sold out on its introduction at the Lively Masters BECAUSE they allowed CA and it was just about the only way that someone using 12-grams could keep up on their air changes.

I believe that Tom has said in the past that he introed the product in order to give people a reason to stay with 12-grams.

Interesting, we were both at the same event and remember things much differently. That is assuming we are talking about the same year. I'm referring to the first tournament the 6 pack was introduced at. However, it was a long time ago, and memory is the second thing to go...

However, I remember very vividly the conversation I had with a representative of AGD (it wasn't Tom). He said they made the 6 pack to get CA allowed in tournaments. They got the idea from comments on product registration cards. They wanted CA allowed in tournaments because they had developed a semi and it wouldn't work with 12 grams. If I remember correctly (this part I'm not sure of) the semi was the panther.

There was also the added advantage that you could always discourage pesky referees by positioning yourself so that the 12-grams discharged from the Pak would bounce off their heads, followed by "hey, I warned you to move..."

I buddy of mine hit a ref in the shins with one at the masters and uttered that exact phrase...

[hitech]

the court of last appeals might be staffed by long-time people still in the game, such as Palmer, or Bud, or maybe even refugees from the game, such as Tom (and, increasingly, myself)...

If I can get Tom AND Palmer to vouch for me can I...

[hitech]

No, I'm saying at least in ramping noone is trying to convince me "no, its true semi, I just set it really really well"

Actually, that is one of the easiest things to fix. Just make the trigger meet ASTM standards.

[Lohman446]

Actually, that is one of the easiest things to fix. Just make the trigger meet ASTM standards.

True, but most of the time they didn't demand it

[rabidchihauhau]

Huh So YOU were one of those guys everyone was talking about holding up the train.

Come on TKs middle name was Safety First.



http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ighlight=tanks

Yes Beemer, I was.

And I don't mind admitting it, because when it comes to technical safety issues, no one's 'word' is good enough for me - I want to see the tests, the certifications, I want to see what the testing criteria is AND I want to see how things are going to be handled in the real world as opposed to the laboratory.

It also didn't help things that although I knew 'of' TK at the time, I didn't really 'know' him. Now that I do, I would be willing to give a lot of credence and reliance to things he says - but I'd still want to see the test data...

[Skeeter]

...There was also the added advantage that you could always discourage pesky referees by positioning yourself so that the 12-grams discharged from the Pak would bounce off their heads, followed by "hey, I warned you to move..."

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Incentive for the skills progression? How about something as simple as a hopper sticker?

To formalize things a bit more if someone is interested in the above:

Stock Gun Qualified (SG)
Pump Gun Qualified (PG)
Stock Semi Qualified (SS)
Electronic Semi Qualified (ES)
Enhanced Electronic Qualified (EE)

You would need at least the following for any kind of certification to have meaning:

1. registration of the player using some verifiable form of ID and a registration database
2. a list of fields that offer various levels of play; info on a field would have to include types and dates of what they offered and an 'approved contact' for the location who can verify attendance and participation
3. a list of events offering various levels of play and the same contact info as above
4. individuals - above reproach and beyond political BS - to serve as regional coordinators; these people would work with the fields and events to 'certify' various player's attendance.
5. a list of markers and modifications allowed under each classification
6. a 'cheating report' structure to help oversee potential abuse
7. a 'court of last appeal' to arbitrate disputes and resolve issues
8. a list of things that people can do to earn 'days'; for example, putting together a successful stock gun team, event or series ought to be worth something...

LOL. I never had the accuracy with the 6-pak, that I had with my Micro-CAII. Pinged an opponent in the back of the head when he chrono'ed hot, comming off the field. Almost by accident.

Otherwise, a very good post. Wish it was a possible dream. When is that next AO day, anyway?

[rabidchihauhau]

In order of versatility:

RAT Attack changer (screw-off type with a coarse thread; we taped two together for a 'fast-changer'
Micro-CA (we liked them very much but got away from using stocks...)
Line SI Lever Changer (cammed changer; I had mine modified so that it discharged to the ground instead of out one side - made it much more ergonomic)
Six-Pak+; man, there was NOTHING like cooking off five rounds, changing and doing another five for a total of 35 rounds; we all shot about 7 rounds per second on auto-trigger, so that was about 5 seconds of sustained, blistering fire and a very good fps; my guys could load, change 12-grams and fire the next round all in one linear motion and it was a beautiful thing to watch when all 15 of us were 'air mailing' the other team...

[trevorjk]

paintball CAN be saved!!!

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2262149#post2262149

just build forts and an army of snowmen and get lots of snowball launchers (younger brothers to throw them) and go all out!

[hitech]

my guys could load, change 12-grams and fire the next round all in one linear motion and it was a beautiful thing to watch when all 15 of us were 'air mailing' the other team...

I remember practicing changing. "You" lost very little time changing. All that work and practice and I never used it in a tournament...

[rabidchihauhau]

I've talked Tom to death on this, but I'll risk annoying everyone further by asking here:

does anyone have any 'square springs' for 6paks?

I have a sixpak+, but no spring...

[hitech]

Sorry, I traded my six pack away awhile back. I know someone who still has one, but I'm sure he won't part with just the spring.

[Beemer]

I've talked Tom to death on this, but I'll risk annoying everyone further by asking here:

does anyone have any 'square springs' for 6paks?

I have a sixpak+, but no spring...

Ya I have one too. But its in my #010 6pakPlus which is almost NIB condition.
Sorry you didnt say an extra, couldnt resist.


Peace Out

[CoolHand]

See the 4-5 is to make sure they break..and if u play speedball and think this is overshooting..well you might wanna consider woodsball..then again thats barely considered overshooting in woodsball as well...and in the back or head (i prefer neck) it's probably so (and in my case) so they dont turn on you to try and get the 1 for 1...you shoot them in a soft spot then they are more focused on the pain then tryin to turn on you...


and dont get me wrong..im talking side of the neck where it is generally solid, but hurts..i am never intintionally trying to hurt anyone when playing.. i just want to make sure they arent going to hurt me and ruin my effort to eliminate them..

See, this attitude right here is THE problem as I see it in PB today. They will cheat against me, so I have to pre-emptively treat each person as though they had already cheated.

Somehow, I manage to play speedball and hold my own while still:

1) Never putting more than three balls on a person, EVER.
2) Never wiping a hit or intimidating a ref into changing their call.
3) Never intentionally bunkering someone who is of less skill than I.
4) Never intentionally shooting someone on exposed skin while bunkering them.

Somehow I manage to play speedball and not break any of those four edicts.

It IS possible, it just takes a little effort.

My biggest gripe currently is that no one has any honor or respect for anyone anymore.

They're rude, crude, and cheat, while simultaneously bragging about all of the above. Makes me want to strangle someone, and then kick their parents in the balls. Even worse is when said miscreant is my age or just a fuzz younger (IE of an age that they REALLY should know better by now).

Basically, at this point, I only play with people I know, at fields that I trust to be safe and not packed with douche-bags.

I just bought some land about six months ago, so after I get my house built, I am very likely going to invest in a sup-air field and some grass seed.